Foxy Stoat seeks Pig Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 My brakes seem to be binding quite badly, clearly a build up of all the salt and crap on the roads at the moment. I try to keep the binding at bay with regular squirts of brake cleaner but want to do a thorough job and extract the pistons and clean, maybe even replace the seals. What is a straightforward way of removing the pistons? I see there are tools for £20 but are there other, cheaper ways? Can they just be pumped out and slotted back in afterward with some grease? If so at what stage do I drain the fluid from the system.Thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megawatt Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Pump them all out together. If one moves more than the others, put a clamp on it. If one gets left behind, clamp the others until it moves. They usually come out with a grease gun or airline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Stoat seeks Pig Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 Thanks, I don't have a grease gun or airline though so will try and pump them out together. Do I drain the system first, or does it need the fluid for pressure to push the pistons out, if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megawatt Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Needs a working brake system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megawatt Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Fluid will drain as soon as first piston falls out, hence moving em all together. I use a big rawlbolt for tight ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mississippi Bullfrog Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Don't use bearing grease on brake components, you want red grease for rubber seals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 if the brakes are still connected then place something between the pistons to stop them coming all the way out something like a spanner usually works Sit it in the grove where the brake discs would normally go Then pump out the pistons it won't make a difference if one comes out first as when it hits the spanner it will stop .......be sure to remove the pads first! Once they are all out then loosen all the caliper bolts then remove the caliper and split it then remove the pistons Remove the seals and clean everything up taking special care to clean between the groves where the seals sit Rebuild and spend hours swearing while you attempt to bleed all air out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowBusa Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 As [mention]megawatt[/mention] saysAnd When you do come to re-installing the pistons DONT force them ..they Will glide in if they are seated rightI got a pair of these they work wellhttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Motorbike-Brake-Piston-Removal-Pliers-Tool-Upto-39mm-Soft-Grip-/181782692997?hash=item2a5317c485 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megawatt Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 You can use most grease to pump em out, brake clean everything, then smear rrg on pistons and seals when you rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Your going to have to split the calipers unless they are single sided floating ones . First , with the calipers still on the bike , "crack " all the bolts but don't undo them . Then remove the calipers, remove the pads , then put back onto the bike and pump away until ALL the pistons are in contact with the disk ( watch the fluid level ) Next put a spanner on the bleed nipple then a piece of pvc tube ( B&Q ) and pump out as much brake fluid as you can . Get a bowl to catch the rest and properly loosen all the bolts including the banjo bolt . Remove from the bike and split the caliper . To pull all the pistons out spray with brake cleaner and wipe them dry then using a Mole Grip and a piece of rubber inner tube to avoid scratching wiggle them out with a revolving motion . This last bit is easier if they are of the open ended type but some pistons have removable plugs . Now you can pull all the seals and clean out all the mineralization and crap lurking in the grooves . Reassemble using new seals and don't forget the little O ring , fill and bleed . The whole job takes ages , well it did for me but I've got twin 6 pots BUT the results are astounding. There are other ways to do this job but the trick is in getting ALL the pistons as far out as possible at the same time. Note : Some people recommend Red Rubber Grease for reassembly but I prefer to use just brake fluid. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Stoat seeks Pig Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 I have some circlip pliers that open outwards, I could use them on the inside of pistons to ease them out. I understand you but not use anything on the outer piston.Having problems sourcing front brake caliper seals. Found rear brake no problem on EBAy, cant find any fronts for a 2004 FZ6 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Stoat seeks Pig Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 They are single sided floating calipers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 these the right ones [mention]Foxy Stoat seeks Pig[/mention] https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZ6-N-Fazer-600-04-07-2004-2005-2006-2007-front-brake-caliper-seal-kit/161143608616?hash=item2584e85528:g:iYAAAMXQWzNSeRlN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Stoat seeks Pig Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 that looks spot on, the rubber boots have seen better days so could do with replacing also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I have some circlip pliers that open outwards, I could use them on the inside of pistons to ease them out. I understand you but not use anything on the outer piston.Having problems sourcing front brake caliper seals. Found rear brake no problem on EBAy, cant find any fronts for a 2004 FZ6 though. Fair enough, I understand your concern but I don't think you will get enough grip with circlip pliers . I got the idea off youtube and it worked a treat . If the pistons are far enough out already then not much force is needed . Anyway good luck and let us know how it went. Here you go , is this any good ? http://i.imgur.com/rpEQkjM.png don't be fooled by the picture, you get 5 in a pack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megawatt Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Make sure that the seal grooves and brake cylinder are clinically clean. Remove all dirt and polish aluminium.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 best not forget the steriliser if you want clinically clean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgrump Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Hi, I use these on open ended pistons, it really saves a lot of time, insert and use as a slide hammer? I first clamp the line remove caliper and withdraw pistons, clean grooves, then either new seals or old, then rebuild and bleed. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New-5-PC-Inner-Bearing-Puller-Set-Kit-Remover-Blind-Internal-Slide-Hammer/391806230854?epid=21011007777&hash=item5b3978a146:g:SvQAAOSwofxUgdEy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 They are single sided floating calipers Oh well, happy days then , much easier to work on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 best not forget the steriliser if you want clinically clean You could boil your head while you're at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 best not forget the steriliser if you want clinically clean You could boil your head while you're at it I'm clean enough thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Stoat seeks Pig Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 Thanks all, will see how it goes at weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Stoat seeks Pig Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 Seals arrived today. 25mm and 30mm packs. 5 pairs in each. Are there two seals to each caliper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowBusa Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Are there two seals to each caliper?two per pistonOne is a dust seal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Stoat seeks Pig Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 Ah I see, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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