EU... in or out

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Please take the time to watch the video in this link...... by someone who knows what he's talking about.....

https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/law-and-social-justice/news/articles/watch-dishonesty-industrial-scale-eu-law-expert-analyses-referendum-debate/index.htm

 

"The leave campaign has degenerated into dishonesty really, on an industrial scale." - Prof Michael Dougan, University of Liverpool. Professor of European Law.

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A summary of Dougan's speech -

1 - the UK is a sovereign state which negotiates with numerous international organisations without loosing its sovereignty. If the UK leaves the EU it will still have to negotiate with the EU. How can Brexit claim leaving increases sovereignty when we already have it and we will always have to negotiate one way or another with the EU, in it or out of it? All negotiations are a trade off.

2 - it is wrong to say this is a debate about us and them. The UK is one of the big three with France and Germany and nothing happens in the EU without the say or agreement of the big three. Majority voting and consensus determine decisions. If the UK leaves, voting and consensus will not take the UK's wants into consideration.

3 - the Balance of Competencies review, a review of EU membership, the biggest in UK Civil Service history. The result was overwhelmingly positive for the EU and it brings added value to UK policy making.

The arguments from Leave are at worst dishonest, at best mistaken. There are four challenges if the UK leaves

1 - need for a comprehensive review of UK law due to EU legislation adopted in the UK. Parliament will not be able to do it. Civil servants and ministers will determine laws without any voting.

2 - good chance of a second Scottish referendum, problems for NI as it has a border with an EU state

3 - reformulation of UK relations with the EU and EU countries, primarily what to do with the 3 million EU residents in the UK and the 2 million UK residents in the EU. It is suspected it will take at least 10 years to sort, the Swiss have been negotiated bilaterally since 1972. The UK will likely end up doing the same for ever more.

4 - the Single Market means one set of rules for products to be sold in the EU and allows market integration. Leave the EU, we need to stay in the single market as Norway does, but we have no say at all. All economists agree trade is harder outside the single market.

5 - leaving the EU ends all trade agreements elsewhere in the world, since they were are all negotiated in the EU. The open UK market which is in the EU Single Market is very attractive for China, India and the USA to trade with. Leave the EU and it is not so attractive.

He does not bother to go into the immigration debate, he is a PHd law Professor but it is not his field of expertise.

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problems for NI as it has a border with an EU state

Also, the continued implementation of the European Convention of Human Rights is a core component of the Good Friday Agreement. As a result, leaving the EU stands to significantly undermine or even nullify the GFA.

[Throttled]

I have not seen it, but apparently Farage has accepted none of those depicted in the hordes of immigrants poster can or would get into the UK. So he went on a rant about Schengen and the Euro, until it was pointed out we are not in either of them.

I was going to stay out of the debate, but since the MP was murdered it is all the more important for people to vote on the facts and not the rhetoric.

[Joeman]

Murder is a bit harsh, but if something bad happened to Farage I do think it would be a bad day..

[NeilM]

I have not seen it, but apparently Farage has accepted none of those depicted in the hordes of immigrants poster can or would get into the UK. So he went on a rant about Schengen and the Euro, until it was pointed out we are not in either of them.

I was going to stay out of the debate, but since the MP was murdered it is all the more important for people to vote on the facts and not the rhetoric.

 

I had done the same.

Stayed out of this online debate until the murder.

Knew from the outset what I was voting so for once kept it shut.

Things I have noticed.

A lot of the hatred and anti immigration seems to stem from areas of the country that have had historically the least immigration. (Discounting the obvious by us)

I and I feel a fair few of us just see the multi cultural society as the norm.

At school during RE the best visits were to the mosque because they fed us proper somosas...lol

When we go to the caravan on the coast the difference is noticeable. The curry houses are shite n the taxi drivers white.

This place where we all live would be so much nicer if we learnt a little tolerance and embraced each others cultures more and people from all walks of life extended the hand of friendship.

[Six30]

I have not seen it, but apparently Farage has accepted none of those depicted in the hordes of immigrants poster can or would get into the UK. So he went on a rant about Schengen and the Euro, until it was pointed out we are not in either of them.

I was going to stay out of the debate, but since the MP was murdered it is all the more important for people to vote on the facts and not the rhetoric.

 

I had done the same.

Stayed out of this online debate until the murder.

Knew from the outset what I was voting so for once kept it shut.

Things I have noticed.

A lot of the hatred and anti immigration seems to stem from areas of the country that have had historically the least immigration. (Discounting the obvious by us)

I and I feel a fair few of us just see the multi cultural society as the norm.

At school during RE the best visits were to the mosque because they fed us proper somosas...lol

When we go to the caravan on the coast the difference is noticeable. The curry houses are shite n the taxi drivers white.

This place where we all live would be so much nicer if we learnt a little tolerance and embraced each others cultures more and people from all walks of life extended the hand of friendship.

 

That speech was nicked from Miss uk , from the 1978 Miss World competition.

[NeilM]

Six.

Let's just give peace a fxxxzz chance.

Listen.

I'm by no means a tree hugger or a pacifist but I do feel we as a society need to be more tolerant with one another.

[MarkW]

That speech was nicked from Miss uk , from the 1978 Miss World competition.

That's a new laptop you owe me mate - I laughed so hard I just spat tea all over mine!

[Six30]

That speech was nicked from Miss uk , from the 1978 Miss World competition.

That's a new laptop you owe me mate - I laughed so hard I just spat tea all over mine!

 

[Valko]

that's it then! I've changed my mind now I've seen that

 

You haven't seen all yet

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[Bonniebird]

He's got nice hair though

He finally admitted to dying it.

[Six30]

He's got nice hair though

He finally admitted to dying it.

 

Really !! The swine I though he was el naturel... I'm team remain now .

[Stu]

I had to chuckle at this!!

https://www.facebook.com/LastWeekTonight/videos/921269251335418/

[Guest]

Very good......pretty much hits the nail on the head!

[MarkW]

A few common Euro myths dispelled: http://www.proeuropa.org.uk/euro_myths" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Guest]

It's all rather pointless now anyway. Now that nutter had killed that mp then the remain vote will win. But if people are voting remain because of him then it's a sorry state of affairs. I just hope all the bullocks spouted by the remain camp comes true. But I doubt it will

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[Joeman]

It's all rather pointless now anyway. Now that nutter had killed that mp then the remain vote will win. But if people are voting remain because of him then it's a sorry state of affairs. I just hope all the bullocks spouted by the remain camp comes true. But I doubt it will

Non of the bollocks spouted by the leave camp was ever going to come true. It was all lies and propaganda.

[Six30]

It's all rather pointless now anyway. Now that nutter had killed that mp then the remain vote will win. But if people are voting remain because of him then it's a sorry state of affairs. I just hope all the bullocks spouted by the remain camp comes true. But I doubt it will

Non of the bollocks spouted by the leave camp was ever going to come true. It was all lies and propaganda.

 

yup remain don't talk bollox....

[nicklucey]

It's all rather pointless now anyway. Now that nutter had killed that mp then the remain vote will win. But if people are voting remain because of him then it's a sorry state of affairs. I just hope all the bullocks spouted by the remain camp comes true. But I doubt it will

Non of the bollocks spouted by the leave camp was ever going to come true. It was all lies and propaganda.

 

yup remain don't talk bollox....

The arguments for remain have been put forward and supported by the worlds leading experts, the arguments for leaving have been put forward by nigel farage and similar nazi morons.

[Six30]

Non of the bollocks spouted by the leave camp was ever going to come true. It was all lies and propaganda.

 

yup remain don't talk bollox....

The arguments for remain have been put forward and supported by the worlds leading experts, the arguments for leaving have been put forward by nigel farage and similar nazi morons.

 

prick

[RantMachine]

The arguments for remain have been put forward and supported by the worlds leading experts, the arguments for leaving have been put forward by nigel farage and similar nazi morons.

Looks like someone needs to play more spot the difference...

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Come on now kids, sing along with Big Bird... One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just isn't the same

Seriously though, we've managed this many pages without descending into genuinely making dick comments at each other, no matter how close we've got. Don't spoil it now.

[Six30]

Prick was the only possible reply to his post