Six30 Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 At 5mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike left.At 60mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike right..So at what speed does it change? Discuss.... Is it when the African Swallow passes you at 35 mph during its migration . Quote
Guest Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 At 5mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike left.At 60mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike right..So at what speed does it change? Discuss.... Is it when the African Swallow passes you at 35 mph during its migration .Unladen? Quote
Six30 Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 At 5mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike left.At 60mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike right..So at what speed does it change? Discuss.... Is it when the African Swallow passes you at 35 mph during its migration .Unladen? With luggage . Quote
NeilM Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 Ohhhh goodieNowt like a good counter steering row Quote
Lateralus Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 At 5mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike left.At 60mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike right..So at what speed does it change? Discuss.... Is it when the African Swallow passes you at 35 mph during its migration .Unladen?Depends on its favourite colour. Quote
soll Posted May 17, 2017 Posted May 17, 2017 dont know if its been mentioned but you could countersteer....(ducks) Quote
MR_W Posted May 17, 2017 Posted May 17, 2017 Is it when the African Swallow passes you at 35 mph during its migration .Unladen?Depends on its favourite colour.Which way is it migrating?Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Quote
Six30 Posted May 17, 2017 Posted May 17, 2017 Unladen?Depends on its favourite colour.Which way is it migrating?Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Spain Quote
Stu Posted May 18, 2017 Posted May 18, 2017 At 5mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike left.At 60mph pushing the right bar will turn the bike right..So at what speed does it change? Discuss.... 18mph on my bike above that you counter steer below that you point and twist Quote
cockercas Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Personally I think it's a laugh when I am following someone that perform a semi full leaning position in corner where I am sitting almost upright and handling the bike with my one hand your way sounds a lot less fun. Roads around me are just very simple and easy taken at high speeds without leaning, that is all. You need to go faster Leaning isn't something that happens in time.You have to steer into a corner and lean the bike or you will not get around it.Your not going to fall off leaning it so get it cranked over. Quote
Stu Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Your not going to fall off leaning it so get it cranked over. So why do you keep falling off Quote
MR_W Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Your not going to fall off leaning it so get it cranked over. So why do you keep falling off [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]Trail braking. Clipping kerbs. Just a couple of guesses.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Quote
cockercas Posted May 20, 2017 Posted May 20, 2017 Your not going to fall off leaning it so get it cranked over. So why do you keep falling off [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]Trail braking. Clipping kerbs. Just a couple of guesses.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk One was clipping a kerb and it cost me a new bike Never fell off from trail braking.Highsided in the wet but that was to much throttle nothing to do with leaning a bike.I did scrape the endcan on the track at cadwell the other day extreme lows The rest of the crashes i just run out of skill. Quote
MR_W Posted May 20, 2017 Posted May 20, 2017 So why do you keep falling off [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]Trail braking. Clipping kerbs. Just a couple of guesses.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk One was clipping a kerb and it cost me a new bike Never fell off from trail braking.Highsided in the wet but that was to much throttle nothing to do with leaning a bike.I did scrape the endcan on the track at cadwell the other day extreme lows The rest of the crashes i just run out of skill.Ambition outweighed your talent?Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Quote
cockercas Posted May 20, 2017 Posted May 20, 2017 Trail braking. Clipping kerbs. Just a couple of guesses.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk One was clipping a kerb and it cost me a new bike Never fell off from trail braking.Highsided in the wet but that was to much throttle nothing to do with leaning a bike.I did scrape the endcan on the track at cadwell the other day extreme lows The rest of the crashes i just run out of skill.Ambition outweighed your talent?Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Pretty much, thats the point of racing though. Quote
Guest Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Countersteering action is quite simple, the bike leans when you push the bar due entirely to gyroscopic action. When a gyroscope is pushed as it spins it doesn't turn in the direction of the push it turns at 90 degrees to direction of the force.This gyroscopic action only happens when the front wheel is spinning fast enough to act as a gyroscope.As for leaning when cornering you cannot corner safely while upright but you can steer round a corner without leaning. As you corner the centre of gravity moves sideways due to centrifugal effects, this means the tyres are no longer contacting the road at the centre of gravity of the bike. Leaning brings the contact patch of the tyres under the centre of gravity of the bike making for safer riding and higher sustainable speeds through the corner. Quote
Guest Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Or think of it as when you turn the bike, the contact patch actually moves and the bike rolls around it. This is why the tires wear over their entire treaded area (or not, if you are Someone ). When you see a speedway bike turning at FOL, this is just an extreme example of how any bike turns. The gyroscopic explanation is correct, and is the reason that learning how to ride a quad, a trike or an outfit is so "entertaining" . The forces twisting the wheel are still present in cars - it's just that they are separated out by the suspension struts and wishbones so you never notice them. Quote
mikestrivens Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 it's amazing how these old threads get resurrected Quote
Guest Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 There ought to be a section for "Lazarus" threads....but if it was worth banging on about then, it's probably worth banging on about it now.......e.g. countersteering, the gift that keeps on giving..... Quote
Hoggs Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 misread that as [mention]Lateralus[/mention] threads and thought you were being a bit harsh Quote
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