EU... in or out

[Six30]

The Closet ?

in these barren times who knows

 

Sorry - That was one spelling error too many for today!

 

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[Guest]

Sorry - That was one spelling error too many for today!

Eye karnt hellp i knot lissenin at skool

[Grumpy Old Git]

Note to doo wit skool - Simmply basec Englsuh Skils.

PS. There is a speelcheeker tool on the post (befuor yo seend it).

[Hoggs]

So. Regardless of your views. ... gotta admit this is funny

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/06/02/brexit-protestor-tries-burn-eu-flag-cant-eu-regulation-flammable-materials/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[johnakay]

http://thisisengland.org.uk/video-7-years-ago-this-day-david-cameron-said-the-uk-needs-to-be-independent-from-the-eu/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/659163/David-Cameron-ADMITS-Brussels-BLOCKED-bid-rescue-UK-steel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Guest]

See you two had a productive day

PS. There is a speelcheeker tool on the post (befuor yo seend it).

You grumpy old git

its not on my phone?

[Six30]

So. Regardless of your views. ... gotta admit this is funny

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/06/02/brexit-protestor-tries-burn-eu-flag-cant-eu-regulation-flammable-materials/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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IT was funny when it was posted a couple of days ago on here pay attention

[Joe85]

https://eurometer.news.sky.com/

Have a go, I'm a Cosmopolitan.

 

Europhile.

Do I have to go on some sort of register?

[Hoggs]

So. Regardless of your views. ... gotta admit this is funny

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/06/02/brexit-protestor-tries-burn-eu-flag-cant-eu-regulation-flammable-materials/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

IT was funny when it was posted a couple of days ago on here pay attention

 

I blame the EU for my not seeing it

[Grumpy Old Git]

Home Rule for England!

What did the Roman's ever do for us?

Bring in conscription for all immigrants and lets have another war with France.

Abolish the 'temporary war relief tax' (VAT).

Reinstate Poll Tax.

Ban all motor vehicles with more than two wheels from all B & C class roads.

Make Real Ale free.

Annex Lancashire and then sell it to Japan.

Bill Posters will be prosecuted (again!).

Make it illegal to 'ride' a Pogo Stick in the Houses of Parliament.

Shoot John Lennon (Oh, already been done!) - No not that one, the one who works as a traffic Warden in Milton Keynes.

Remember to take the pills in the mornings..........................................................................................

[JRH]

Home Rule for England!

Remember to take the pills in the mornings..........................................................................................

 

Are they blue ones.

[XTreme]

Real time of uncertainty coming up.

Britain potentially out of the EU......and maybe others will follow?

Then there could be either Trump or Clinton in The White House! Both of them are dangerous.....Trump because he's so thick, and Clinton because she's a liar and manipulator.

If Trump gets in I fully expect him to buddy up to Putin......who unlike Trump is a very clever and calculating man!

We could have a Perfect Storm on our hands!

[rennie]

How would staying in change any of that?

[nicklucey]

I wonder if riding in europe would become more of a ball ache if we left, good enough reason to vote remain i reckon.

[MarkW]

[rennie]

I've changed my mind!

I'm voting in so that I'll still be able to use my

continental quilt

[XTreme]

How would staying in change any of that?

 

I didn't say it would Ian......just pointing out that all these different elements are coming together around the same time. Makes for an uncertain future.

Though in my case I'll take out Spanish citizenship if it's an out vote......so whatever happens I'll get it covered.

[Six30]

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[Guest]

Are we going to win the euro football to help sway us?

[Six30]

Are we going to win the euro football to help sway us?

 

More chance of my grandad scoring the winning goal in the final.... and he's been dead 25 years

[Stu]

if the vote is leave then I hope we get kicked out the euro so I dont have to hear people harp on about it

[Guest]

Careful, brussels will be signing him up to the england squad instead of jamie vardy

[johnakay]

taken from facebook. please read!

Pete Giles

7 June at 21:19 ·

OK,.. here's a short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU then,.. (it was longer, much longer, but really tough reading)

Cadbury moved production of several brands to a factory in Poland 2011 with EU grant. Despite promising the workforce they would not.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds. They have not yet said what UK plants will lose out.

Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant. That move was not wanted by Peugeot, it was forced on them by EU blundering and cost then dearly.

British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in Spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. (Just assembly)

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan. (I didn't believe this till I checked Financial Times)

Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.

M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.

Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.

Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.

Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.

ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs

Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase. (Now sold on again)

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry. (Joint CEOs charged with financial trading fraud, insider trading)

UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.

Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.

Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.

The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.

Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada. New trains contract awarded to German company.

39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU

The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria and those parts assembled in the UK. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

Yes some companies are in the UK with EU funding, but have you noticed that many, like Tata, are planning to shift the production away again, as soon as they will not have to pay a penalty to the EU for doing so. Hundreds already did, just using British skills to develop products and then opt for lower labour costs, often with a serious loss in quality too like Bosch alternators. Many employ staff only on a part-time basis, minimum wage and even those sent by DWP to work for nothing, those get just their benefits.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.

I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

The way companies abuse the EU commercial assistance system is not doing the EU, Britain or any other country any favours. It has massive loopholes that are simply exploited and no-one in Brussels has the wit nor sense to change it. Change in the EU is slow at best and in most cases, next to impossible due to the intense lobbying by companies with a vested interest in abusing this very broken system. I know Margaret Thatcher was not many people's favourite person, but she did get a number of measures agreed that have now been completely eroded and sadly, by her own party. Mr Junker has said that any more 'special status' for Britain will be difficult and will face legal challenges. In other words, we will not get most of them, if any.

If the EU may break up in the event of Britain voting to leave as suggested by both leaders of the Bundesbank and European Central Bank, then in all honesty, we have as a nation been propping up a failed system for too long, It will probably fail anyway, taking anyone still 'in' with it. Thus, this vote you have is not exactly 'remain' or 'leave', it is more an issue of jumping off the sinking ship while we have a chance to swim ashore now, or waiting till it is in really deep water and going down with it.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,

1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.

2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.

3/ You don't think it matters.

[Guest]

and yet...

[Guest]

If we ended up leaving, would we ever be allowed back in?