Failed MOD 2 Test for second time with no minors

[bonio]

If he just keeps on at it he'll get his pass in the end and prove them all wrong.

[Bender]

Making progress and not dithering is a thing unfortunately, the view of the examiner is just that but he's the one with the judgment call.

 

Good luck with the next one.

[Blackholesun]

Keep plugging away he'll get there in the end 

[GojuRyu5]

A big part of the Advanced Riding  IAM test is about progression but I’d certainly think twice passing a bin lorry with guys working whilst also wanting to avoid riding into the path of an oncoming van. The circumstances for the failure must have been very in a short window. There’s a fine line sometimes between progression and risk…

 

Would definitely encourage him to keep trying. We all know it’s worth it!!’

[keith1200rs]

I would err on the side of caution in such circumstances. It is better to hang back and afterwards think "maybe I could have gone" rather than go and think "sh$t, that was close".

[Bender]

1 hour ago, keith1200rs said:

I would err on the side of caution in such circumstances. It is better to hang back and afterwards think "maybe I could have gone" rather than go and think "sh$t, that was close".

He did and failed and we don't have the examiners input as to what their view of the situation was.

 

They don't tend to want  folk to make dangerous maneuvers as that's a certain fail.

 

 

[billy sugger]

I read somewhere, maybe on here, of someone failing their test for "not being in control of their vehicle" 

They were told to make a left turn and as they turned into the street there was a car parked up with a door open so testee crossed the white line in the centre of the road to go past so was failed for basically avoiding a collision 

[Bender]

4 minutes ago, billy sugger said:

I read somewhere, maybe on here, of someone failing their test for "not being in control of their vehicle" 

They were told to make a left turn and as they turned into the street there was a car parked up with a door open so testee crossed the white line in the centre of the road to go past so was failed for basically avoiding a collision 

If something was coming the other way and the gap was too small I could see how that would happen, could have also been riding too close to said cars, in all these events your only getting one side of the event.

 

 

[Tiggie]

I failed my car test for not being in control of the vehicle 

 

Told to park at side of road on a hill ( to do a hill start ) I decided just before I put the handbrake on that I wasn't close enough to the curb so I put the clutch pedal in so I'd roll back a little ( 2 feet max)  while I turned wheel to get closer.  Out came her pen 

 

She told me at the end if I had put the car in reverse and done the same maneuver all would of been fine but by just letting the car roll I wasn't in control. 

[Capt Sisko]

On 09/08/2023 at 00:06, Tiggie said:

by just letting the car roll I wasn't in control. 

Correct. Strictly speaking if your vehicle is moving then you have to be in control of it, (i.e. through the use of the throttle, gears, clutch & brakes). If you allow other forces to move the vehicle, in this case gravity, you ain't in complete control as you couldn't counter it and move in a different direct if something went wrong.

In your case I think the examiner was being a bit pedantic and once you've passed you test, who cares, but they have rules and not in control is one of them, and a big one.

[Tiggie]

Oh I know! Kicked myself pretty hard over that.

 

As my driving instructor told me when he found how I failed " that's how you drive when NOT being tested!! " 

[yusuf]

I am 41 years old and have been riding a motorcycle in my own country for over 20 years. I have been living in London for about 4 years. I am failing the mod 2 for the 6th time. Everyone who took the mod 2 test with me passed the first time. I have made mistakes of course. But the examiner is racist but it is very difficult for me to prove it. I am now doing research to take another course. and these 6 exams cost me almost 1800gbp.

is stopping the engine during the start a major mistake? that is not my daily motorcycle. this can happen to anyone when you are riding a motorcycle for the first time. what is the problem with this as long as you do not fall to the ground and do not endanger traffic. also the exam had just started and it only happened once. I stopped the car 2 times when I was getting my car license but I passed that exam and got my license. is this a major mistake for a motorcycle? this only happened to me during the 6th test.

[bud]

I was told doing my training in the 90's. That a stall wasn't a fail. But you had to restart and not do it again. Or put yourself or others in danger.

I guess it's all down to the examiners view.

I would definitely try another test centre if you feel you are not being treated fairly.

[yusuf]

As I mentioned earlier, I am 100% sure that he was racist towards me, but I can't prove it. I can feel it. It happened exactly as you said. The exam had just started and after a few miles, I stopped the engine during a start-up and started it again without endangering anyone and continued on my way, and this only happened once. But each time, it states at least two major mistakes so that they support each other. My other mistake is that I passed too close to a parked red car. This is also a completely unprovable situation. Which car is how close?
I am now looking for another course and the other courses only do not accept the mod2 exam. I don't understand this either. They say I need to take the training again.

[bonio]

Agg. £1800. That's painful. Well done for keeping on going at it.

 

I'm really surprised you were failed for stalling the bike just once. Even the police are allowed to stall once in their training (although for them, it's once in five full days of riding ). 

 

As for passing the car too close, you will do yourself a favour if you always keep a full car-door's length between you and any parked car. Doesn't make any sense to put yourself in the danger zone. But you may go closer if you know the car is empty.

 

When I failed my mod 1, I went to another trainer, and they were happy to take me through whatever training I needed to get me through mod 1 and 2 - it was about two extra lessons, that's all. I'd say move on and find someone who likes you and who'll give you the training you need. I'd suggest dropping in on them at the end of the day (4:30-5pm ish) for a quick chat if you can. You get a lot more feedback face to face. 

 

[RideWithStyles]

Stalling isn’t a fail in its self (if not precarious position) but not doing the  resetting, restarting, viewing and set off correctly is a major and twice is/leads to a fail.

so im guessing that’s what happened.

These examiners are trained to see things without thinking it, are like coppers (quite a lot of them are ex coppers). Good instructors of certain class look for the same things.

 

the red car may or not have had a person in it? the assumption is to predict maybe they would/could have opened car door into your path,  You’re too close to be seen by the person opening the door and you won’t have the time and/or space to react to avoid the collision.
sounds like You didn’t see it or spot it.

if your fluffing the clutch and gears so often on bikes and cars, maybe it would be prudent to take the license on an automatics? It could be cheaper for you and less chances of fail.

 

maybe your self esteem (of just because you’ve ridden so long else where as you have been doing), assumptions and looking for an excuses are clouding your judgement? 

 

i think a little more revision (to what UK test stds and procedures are), attention and  discipline will get you there.

Edited January 30 by RideWithStyles
Autocorrect

[Blackholesun]

Keep going but you don't fail six times and it always is someone else's fault, just being honest here as maybe you've just picked up loads of bad habits in whatever country you've been riding in. Also accusing someone of racism is a big no no for me not without any concrete proof 

Edited January 30 by Blackholesun

[KiwiBob]

You say you have failed mod 2 six times .. Why did you fail the other 5 times? .. 

[Fiddlesticks]

My 0.02¢

 

Firstly - commiserations! Hopefully you'll get it passed soon.

 

Stalling in itself isn't an issue.  I did it on my MOD2 and instantly started the bike back up and carried on.

 

Not recovering from a stall quickly and well would be a problem.  (Plus doing all safety checks before setting off).

 

I'd be concerned about the school, rather than the examiner. (Was it the same examiner all six times?) You generally are entered in for your MOD2 by a riding school, who should only put you forward once you have done all the training and are test ready.

 

It sounds like a different school has suggested further lessons, which is expensive, but I think good advice. Otherwise you'll just be going round in circles not fixing any riding issues.

 

You can also opt for a different test centre, if you choose. My feeling is that it will be much the same though. The standard of riding required is quite high in the UK. The examiners work to a script, and very specific score sheet. They're civil, but never over-friendly.