Mississippi Bullfrog Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 A friend who is a very experienced rider, he used to race a lot so is a very capable chap, recently bought himself a CB300R because he wanted something lighter but with enough capacity to be comfortable. He's chuffed with it. I can see the market for 300-500 bikes growing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mississippi Bullfrog Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 hours ago, fastbob said: Get an ER5 . Marvelous bikes and plenty around for £800 . He's not wrong you know. I've been keeping an eye out for a project bike but always looking at Hondas and the prices of older bikes has been steadily rising. Never thought to look at ER5s, but there's plenty around for not a lot of money. Hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said: He's not wrong you know. I've been keeping an eye out for a project bike but always looking at Hondas and the prices of older bikes has been steadily rising. Never thought to look at ER5s, but there's plenty around for not a lot of money. Hmmm.... A good place to find one is the ER5 Facebook group . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 08:01, geofferz said: No one needs a bigger bike than a 125 but plenty of people want one. I'm interested in knowing how you do a 3,000 miles touring trip on a 125... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, husoi said: I'm interested in knowing how you do a 3,000 miles touring trip on a 125... https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=touring+on+a+125+motorcycle&atb=v210-1&iax=videos&ia=videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, dynax said: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=touring+on+a+125+motorcycle&atb=v210-1&iax=videos&ia=videos None of them appears to say that they took 2 weeks with 60kg of luggage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, husoi said: None of them appears to say that they took 2 weeks with 60kg of luggage. You didn't give any specific parameters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dynax said: You didn't give any specific parameters Isn't obvious? Someone builds a 150kg trailer and goes on and on about a 5,000 miles trip in 2 weeks to Portugal. What else do you need? Edited January 5, 2021 by husoi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, husoi said: Isn't obvious? Someone builds a 150kg trailer and goes on and on about a 5,000 miles trip n 2 weeks to Portugal. What else do you need? Well there you go just answered your own question, you can tow with a 125 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, dynax said: Well there you go just answered your own question, you can tow with a 125 Not a 150kg trailer you can't. "When the trailer is loaded it must weigh no more than 150 kilograms or 2/3 of the kerbside weight of the motorbike - whichever is lighter." From gov.uk people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, husoi said: Not a 150kg trailer you can't. "When the trailer is loaded it must weigh no more than 150 kilograms or 2/3 of the kerbside weight of the motorbike - whichever is lighter." From gov.uk people I know the reg's, so use a lighter trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, dynax said: I know the reg's, so use a lighter trailer. It doesn't work like that unfortunately! When you take a long trip the weight soon adds up especially if that trip includes camping 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dynax said: I know the reg's, so use a lighter trailer. And ditch my beautiful carbon fibre one?? Are you insane???? Never had a bike under 750cc and no plans to do it. My criteria is, heavier bikes don't let you be a crazy tw@t going like a baboon on crack swerving between cars. And yes I've downsized from my BEAUTIFUL ST1300 for shorter trips got a VT700 Edited January 5, 2021 by husoi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 08:01, geofferz said: No one needs a bigger bike than a 125 but plenty of people want one. My Dad told me that in 1978 . I'm still rebelling now . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stu said: It doesn't work like that unfortunately! When you take a long trip the weight soon adds up especially if that trip includes camping You take what you need, it doesn't have to be everything you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, dynax said: You take what you need, it doesn't have to be everything you want. I do and as does the wife You would be surprised at how much you do need when you go away and it soon adds up What I did with the wife is told her to make a pile of stuff she want to take away then I told her to half that pile then half again!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, husoi said: Not a 150kg trailer you can't. "When the trailer is loaded it must weigh no more than 150 kilograms or 2/3 of the kerbside weight of the motorbike - whichever is lighter." From gov.uk people Hmm also the initial part of that page states You can use motorbikes with an engine size of 125cc or more to tow small trailers. Most '125's are 124cc as you can only ride upto a 125cc/ power limit so it is a grey area that can bite ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, TimR said: Hmm also the initial part of that page states You can use motorbikes with an engine size of 125cc or more to tow small trailers. Most '125's are 124cc as you can only ride upto a 125cc/ power limit so it is a grey area that can bite ... Correct, You would be looking at 175cc bikes to be legal. a 125 bike will be around 150 kg so you can only tow 100 kg. if the trailer weights 40kg then you're left with 60 kg. that's the missus toiletries bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, TimR said: Hmm also the initial part of that page states You can use motorbikes with an engine size of 125cc or more to tow small trailers. Most '125's are 124cc as you can only ride upto a 125cc/ power limit so it is a grey area that can bite ... I knew someone would pick up on this, and yes it is a grey area but everyone knows that 124.x displacement are classed as 125's, same would apply if the displacement was 125.x would you be riding illegally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, dynax said: I knew someone would pick up on this, and yes it is a grey area but everyone knows that 124.x displacement are classed as 125's, same would apply if the displacement was 125.x would you be riding illegally. You tell that to your insurance company... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, husoi said: Correct, You would be looking at 175cc bikes to be legal. a 125 bike will be around 150 kg so you can only tow 100 kg. if the trailer weights 40kg then you're left with 60 kg. that's the missus toiletries bag. 130cc,140cc,150cc,160cc engines are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, dynax said: 130cc,140cc,150cc,160cc engines are available. I stand corrected. so you would have 62 kg available. that will fit the sleeping bags then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, husoi said: You tell that to your insurance company... Both mine are insured as 125's even though the displacement is 124.x Edited January 5, 2021 by dynax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, husoi said: I stand corrected. so you would have 62 kg available. that will fit the sleeping bags then Depends on the bike, theoretically my CG could tow 86kg, and my UM could tow 114kg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, dynax said: Depends on the bike, theoretically my CG could tow 86kg, and my UM could tow 114kg. 86 and 114 being 2/3 of kerbweight for total weight. unless your trailer is filled with helium or hydrogen (other light gases are available) I can't see how you can have the 86/114 as luggage allowance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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