Ion Batteries.

[Trooper74]

Anyone know where i can actually get one of these for the Himma ... Hitchcocks won’t send by carrier and their click and collect does not open until 12 April.

 

 

[husoi]

try these guys

 

https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/exide/?ordering=&A-10=Lithium

[Mickly]

2 minutes ago, Trooper74 said:

Anyone know where i can actually get one of these for the Himma ... Hitchcocks won’t send by carrier and their click and collect does not open until 12 April.

 

 

Try searching Skyrich batteries 

Or this place:

https://dmsshop.co.uk/collections/motorcycle-batteries?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI98W1puvD7wIVibbtCh0ozQxHEAAYASAAEgLkQvD_BwE

 

Don’t forget that you may need a suitable battery minder / charger - depending upon your circumstances.

 

[Mickly]

This is where I got mine http://skyrichbatteries.co.uk/

[Stu]

sportbikeshop do some batteries 

 

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_cat/1937/#/27907,3203,1186

[Gerontious]

you must, absolutely must use a Lithium specific charger, if your bike has anything attached that is a constant power drain. A standard charger will destroy it - guaranteed.

 

if you do not, then there should be no need for a charger/battery minder in the short/medium term.

[husoi]

26 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

you must, absolutely must use a Lithium specific charger, if your bike has anything attached that is a constant power drain. A standard charger will destroy it - guaranteed.

 

if you do not, then there should be no need for a charger/battery minder in the short/medium term.

Yes unless the battery have an integrated cell balancing system and standard charger converter built-in.

Most "decent" newer batteries come with it.

absolutely that if your bike have an alarm or anything that will eat up the juice then you need to have a Li-on trickle charger.

Note that this is not needed if the bike runs at least once every 4 weeks for a period of time that will allow the charge to recover.

[Gerontious]

no "unless" about it.

 

use a lithium specific charger.

 

The very batteries you recommend above from Tayna/Exide say exactly the same thing in their users manuals.

 

its of crucial importance.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Gerontious

[husoi]

https://www.gobatteries.co.uk/products/manufacturers/shido/

 

Do I need a special charger?
No; you can use any motorcycle specific charger as long as it doesn't charge above 15 volts. When the battery is fitted to the bike it will receive the same charge from the bike as any other battery.

Can I use a float / trickle charger eg: Optimate / Oximiser etc?
Yes, but we advise against it unless the charger is a Lithium specific type. This is because this type of charger can have different modes which may charge over 15 volts (this will destroy the battery). If you use this type of charger you MUST disconnect the battery as soon as it is fully charged; failure to do so will kill the battery.

How do I maintain the battery when not in use?
Disconnect it from the bike, store in a dry place at room temperature, charge occasionally

Do I need to charge this battery before use?
For best results a quick top up charge is recommended before first use

[S-Westerly]

If I was buying an Ion battery I think I'd invest in an appropriate charger. At least then I'd have some redress if it went tits up.

[husoi]

As I said.

 

You will need a charger if your bike is sitting for more than 4 weeks. 2 weeks if there is anything draining the battery like alarm or immobiliser system like honda's HISS.

The bike charging system will stay the same for normal frequent use.

 

Maybe I'm not making myself clear enough.  

[Gerontious]

Stop with this NONSENSE.

 

you are quoting a website selling SHIDO.  but what do SHIDO have to say? exactly the same.

 

 

[husoi]

No, you stop with the nonsense....

[Gerontious]

2 minutes ago, husoi said:

No, you stop with the nonsense....

 

 

Quoting what the actual manufacturers have to say on this subject is hardly nonsense. The Honda forums are full of tales of woe of people who followed your advice and have been left with a dead (or worse than dead) Li. battery.

 

Ive made my point and done with this.

[Stu]

So apart from a different charger for these batteries does the bike charging system need to be altered in anyway if you fit one to a bike that never came with one? 

 

And if not why not? 

[husoi]

According to manufacturers if the battery have a built-in cell balancing system you don't need to change it. This would for most newer batteries.

Allegedly, If you try to charge a battery that doesn't have the balancing system you will be putting excessive power to some cells that would charge faster and this will damage them.

Because the bike's alternator charging rate is usually around the 800mA mark to 12V and it will drop above this figure up to 13.8V. This will allow a slow charge that won't affect much the individual cells.

 

Keep in mind that Li-on batteries are made of several cells of 1.2V connected in serie to add up to 12V and in parallel to make up the operating current.

 

However, as I said, newer batteries have the CBS built-in.

 

This is only for the bike's charging system and not for a external charger.

[Bender]

Don't like the cold, could be an issue for you in the Arctic circle  

 

Does the battery your looking at have a built in fuse, they can self immolate very quickly if you get a short

[JRH]

10 hours ago, husoi said:

According to manufacturers if the battery have a built-in cell balancing system you don't need to change it. This would for most newer batteries.

Allegedly, If you try to charge a battery that doesn't have the balancing system you will be putting excessive power to some cells that would charge faster and this will damage them.

Because the bike's alternator charging rate is usually around the 800mA mark to 12V and it will drop above this figure up to 13.8V. This will allow a slow charge that won't affect much the individual cells.

 

Keep in mind that Li-on batteries are made of several cells of 1.2V connected in serie to add up to 12V and in parallel to make up the operating current.

 

However, as I said, newer batteries have the CBS built-in.

 

This is only for the bike's charging system and not for a external charger.

A lot of Lithium ion batteries for replacing car / motor bike lead acid batteries are made up of cells that are nominally 3.7 volts, however  LiFeP04 batteries are 3.2 volts, per cell.