Motorbike Show. Moto Morini

[Davidtav]

Anyone else watch the Motorbike Show last night with Henry Cole?  I thought the Moto Morini he was riding looks interesting. Yes I know it’s Chinese. Henry said a new one is from £7k which piqued my interest. But I’ve just looked on Autotrader and a new one is actually available for £5.5k. Seems a lot of bike for the money. 

[Simon Davey]

I missed it, but I reckon we'll soon be seeing the Chinese machines on the roads more frequently.

I find the Voges 900 ADV quite interesting, and immensely good value.

[RideWithStyles]

Unfortunately most are already down this route with at least a few models in their line up (if they haven’t been bought out by a Chinese brand already) so really you’re already seeing it.

triumph, ktm, Honda, Yamaha just to name a few.

[S-Westerly]

I'll be honest I have zero interest in buying a Chinese bike regardless of what it's called. Just not my thing.

[RideWithStyles]

To be honest, I did it abeit of the much best ones, the bike ticked the boxes needed. I knew the risk(s), didnt get too badly burnt over my four years with (lucky?) but I know and seen how it can go bad especially if your new or inattentive to its requirements.

Would I do it again….probably not and and or certainly not used as those companies design, build, sell and back up the customer as they stand now.

Edited December 5, 2024 by RideWithStyles

[Capt Sisko]

I try to avoid buying Chinese made stuff if I can. I dislike their political system, record on human rights, free speech, the environment, how they've treated some religious groups not to mention they support countries seeking to harm us Western counties to name just a few. I know there are certain thing I just can't have unless I swallow my pride & principles, but where there are alternatives, even if it does cost a little more, I make my choice. YMMY.

 

I can also understand the other side of the coin and know for financial reasons why Moto Morini and others have their bikes made in China, but that very fact is enough to have a red line I don't really want to cross.

[Davidtav]

23 minutes ago, Capt Sisko said:

I try to avoid buying Chinese made stuff if I can. I dislike their political system, record on human rights, free speech, the environment, how they've treated some religious groups not to mention they support countries seeking to harm us Western counties to name just a few. I know there are certain thing I just can't have unless I swallow my pride & principles, but where there are alternatives, even if it does cost a little more, I make my choice. YMMY.

 

I can also understand the other side of the coin and know for financial reasons why Moto Morini and others have their bikes made in China, but that very fact is enough to have a red line I don't really want to cross.

Yeah. I get where you are coming from completely. Although I reckon it is actually quite difficult to avoid buying Chinese goods completely. And there is an argument to say that if Western consumers avoided buying Chinese this would badly affect the ordinary Chinese worker immensely … I was just surprised that the bike looked so good for the price. And there are actually a few dealers in the UK … the nearest one to me is closer than a Suzuki dealer. I currently have a Suzuki. … I know it’s been said a million times but it all feels like the vibe when Japanese models hit our shores back in the day.

[bonio]

I agree with you @Davidtav. Putting the politics aside and just looking at the products, it seems that some of the bikes coming out of China are now perhaps worth a more serious look.

[skyrider]

4 hours ago, S-Westerly said:

I'll be honest I have zero interest in buying a Chinese bike regardless of what it's called. Just not my thing.

i would go with that 

[Fish]

The only thing that I see on a regular basis with the Chinese bikes are the short service intervals.

[RideWithStyles]

For some a short service interval isn’t a problem for most as more people do less miles, really it’s a yearly thing. Well I remember when Honda did a really stupidly short service interval on the ncx…like valve check at 600miles and every service of four thou…wow did that back fire.

 

on the thing swing of “workers”, if anyone really gave a shite but all it does is bolster the rich (bosses) even more and barely makes a difference to the average to below paid worker…

[Davidtav]

For some reason folks seem less concerned when it comes to cars. For example, I believe Volvo is now Chinese owned.  I haven’t noticed Volvos becoming less desirable. Actually the opposite. They seem to have lost their “old man” image. 
 

Just an observation 

[Simon Davey]

52 minutes ago, Davidtav said:

For some reason folks seem less concerned when it comes to cars. For example, I believe Volvo is now Chinese owned.  I haven’t noticed Volvos becoming less desirable. Actually the opposite. They seem to have lost their “old man” image. 
 

Just an observation 

 

I drive a brilliant Korean pickup truck, and also have a Korean tractor. Both 8 years old and ultra reliable. 

Sometimes we help ourselves by looking over to  the other side of the fence. 

[RideWithStyles]

2 hours ago, Davidtav said:

For some reason folks seem less concerned when it comes to cars. For example, I believe Volvo is now Chinese owned.  I haven’t noticed Volvos becoming less desirable. Actually the opposite. They seem to have lost their “old man” image. 
 

Just an observation 

Been part of the geely holding group since 2010, majority share of over 75%.

Have they done better than ford did? Questionably.

ideals and business (just to name a few) inbetween china, korea let alone Japan are VERY different to each other…

[Fiddlesticks]

2 hours ago, Davidtav said:

Actually the opposite. They seem to have lost their “old man” image. 

Mrs Fiddlesticks drives a V60 Estate. She'll be pleased to hear it

[S-Westerly]

5 hours ago, Simon Davey said:

 

I drive a brilliant Korean pickup truck, and also have a Korean tractor. Both 8 years old and ultra reliable. 

Sometimes we help ourselves by looking over to  the other side of the fence. 

Don't have a problem with Korean.  All my recent ships bar one have been built in Korea and they are vastly superior to anything built in Europe at the moment. The one ship that wasn't Korean was Chinese built and that was shite. Company got shot of it after 5 years.

[V650]

Would Chinese bikes also not be more expensive to insure as parts could be hard to get hold of in the event of an accident 

[RideWithStyles]

Most will be scrapped quicker (lower value higher cost and risk) if it’s beyond a simple job compared to japo, so in a round about way not always cos your not paying out for a garage to inspect, source , fix it warranty it so will be be dropped at the “market value” rate of….not surprises of way below what a private buyer would get/buy which would award the owner FA….

Edited December 6, 2024 by RideWithStyles

[Davidtav]

4 hours ago, RideWithStyles said:

Most will be scrapped quicker (lower value higher cost and risk) if it’s beyond a simple job compared to japo, so in a round about way not always cos your not paying out for a garage to inspect, source , fix it warranty it so will be be dropped at the “market value” rate of….not surprises of way below what a private buyer would get/buy which would award the owner FA….

Well out of curiosity I had a look at the Moto Morini website. And there is a significant dealer network. I counted 21 UK dealers. And the warranty on the bike Henry Cole was riding is 36 months. That all sounds promising to me. The service intervals do seem short. Seems to require a dealer inspection every 6000 km. … I’m not particularly advocating these bikes. I know nothing about them.  As I said in the first post though you do seem to get a lot of bike for your money. 

[Old-codger]

I was reading an article in a car trade magazine about ten months ago and It was about MG cars and the inability to get major spare parts for crash and mechanical repairs especially for their ICE vehicles. Cars that were less than 5 years old were being scrapped because it was impossible to get the parts. It can only get worse for chinese bikes they are not interested in spares back up for older bikes it is already a very hit and miss situation for bikes a year old that cannot be repaired or waiting ages for parts. Its pile them high sell them cheap and sod the back up. 

Its a NO from me.

[Stu]

Ah the old Chinese debate

 

I'm pretty sure back in the day when the Japanese started making bikes the reliability was very questionable! Now look at them! 

 

The Chinese will dominate the market one day and their reliability will be addressed as time goes on just like they have been doing for years! 

 

Every time something new comes out it gets better but also the price is increasing on them! They aren't as cheap as they was which suggests they are using better quality materials. 

 

Most things are made in China these days and due to the cheap labour but they are using quality materials with good quality control and it's that what makes the difference between a good bike or one that's going to fall apart. 

 

 

[Davidtav]

3 hours ago, Old-codger said:

I was reading an article in a car trade magazine about ten months ago and It was about MG cars and the inability to get major spare parts for crash and mechanical repairs especially for their ICE vehicles. Cars that were less than 5 years old were being scrapped because it was impossible to get the parts. It can only get worse for chinese bikes they are not interested in spares back up for older bikes it is already a very hit and miss situation for bikes a year old that cannot be repaired or waiting ages for parts. Its pile them high sell them cheap and sod the back up. 

Its a NO from me.

That is very interesting. I am actually looking to change my car and I will bear that in mind.

[JohnJive650]

1 hour ago, Stu said:

Ah the old Chinese debate

 

I'm pretty sure back in the day when the Japanese started making bikes the reliability was very questionable! Now look at them! 

 

The Chinese will dominate the market one day and their reliability will be addressed as time goes on just like they have been doing for years! 

 

Every time something new comes out it gets better but also the price is increasing on them! They aren't as cheap as they was which suggests they are using better quality materials. 

 

Most things are made in China these days and due to the cheap labour but they are using quality materials with good quality control and it's that what makes the difference between a good bike or one that's going to fall apart. 

 

 

China don't make a bike as good as any of the Japanese bikes 

 

When the Japanese bikes came into the UK, they were better than the British ones. 

 

I would not buy a Chinese bike. No dealer network and parts will be an issue. I'll stick to the best, which is Japanese 

[Old-codger]

Ah the old Chinese debate 

 

I'm pretty sure back in the day when the Japanese started making bikes the reliability was very questionable! Now look at them! 

 

The Chinese will dominate the market one day and their reliability will be addressed as time goes on just like they have been doing for years! 

 

Im not disputing that stuff the chinese make now is getting better, the point is if a large Car manufactuer like  MG is not producing parts for cars 5 years + why would you waste money buying one when its out of warranty and secondhand.

[RideWithStyles]

Their attitude and business practice is cost and value first hand, anything else is of no interest as.

where as the japs realised that if you cant do better than the next one it has to have or do something better to temp them away. they went with the “if it’s built better they’ll just keep coming back to buy, doesn’t matter if it’s 2,3,4,5 or more years later the return is always worth it as if you can depend on the reputation on the basis of solid used vehicles.