TCX Hero 2 boots not Level 2

[CataS]

TCX claim on their website that the Hero 2 boots are CE level 2, but actually they should be Level 1, as they score 1 2 2 1 (as written on the la el inside them).

[Copycat73]

and so ?

 

[CataS]

It’s misleading, they score 1 for transverse rigidity. They are overrated in my opinion .

[S-Westerly]

The best boots I have ever owned are Daytona Roadstar and all I know is they are CE approved. Whether they are 1,2 or something else I've no idea and couldn't care less. CE isn't the be all and end all of whether something is great or not.

[Fish]

Either way they are still better than wearing a pair of trainers 

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

Frankly with boots my main issue is finding a pair that are comfortable. I'm not ignoring safety but I find buying boots that I wear all day difficult enough. If they they meet the basic level of safety and fit well that will do me. 

 

 

[Tinkicker]

I find the best protection to be had from a pair of boots is to always ride in a manner that ensures you do not need to put them to the test.

 

As an ex elfin safety manager I can tell you that in the heirarchy of safety the top measure is remove the risk.

The bottom of the list is PPE.

[Capt Sisko]

On 19/04/2025 at 16:48, S-Westerly said:

and all I know is they are CE approved. Whether they are 1,2 or something else I've no idea and couldn't care less. CE isn't the be all and end all of whether something is great or not.

 

30 minutes ago, Tinkicker said:

As an ex elfin safety manager I can tell you that in the heirarchy of safety the top measure is remove the risk.

The bottom of the list is PPE.

One hundred percent agree with both of the above. PPE has its uses and I make sure what I wear is made from/kitted out with marked up stuff, but I'm wise enough to know it's NOT going to make everything okay during an RTC. It's the same with cycle helmets, (or magic hats as the cynics call them). People put them on and think they're safe, however having been involved in the design of a cycle helmet the once, the bar that a cycle helmet has to pass is set ridiculously low. Sure, like motorcycle PPE they can help, put people expect too much from them. We as motorcyclists are in the same boat be that Level 1 or 2. It can only do so much.

 

Me, yes I wear ATGATT, but I’m also IAM and old & wise enough to know looking after me starts with me.

[S-Westerly]

Exactly.

[bud]

I think Fort Nine did a thing on motorcycle safety gear standards once. He was saying that compared to the safety ratings on horse riding equipment. Motorcycle gear has an unbelievably low standard to pass.

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

48 minutes ago, bud said:

I think Fort Nine did a thing on motorcycle safety gear standards once. He was saying that compared to the safety ratings on horse riding equipment. Motorcycle gear has an unbelievably low standard to pass.

Yes, but horses are dangerous. 

[skyrider]

1 hour ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

Yes, but horses are dangerous. 

yes there are no brakes on those things 

[RideWithStyles]

Well yes and no.
CE is great to know what standards it meets, assuming the standards these are appropriate and can be applied to a real life implementation.

well they are gauge as two out of four so it’s 

Near enough .

I agree the std is still well behind the time and it needs a proper revision, that isn’t up to the manufacturer to set it but at the moment it is..

 

best boots we’ve had are Sidi, the spada ones aint bad for the money.

 

 

 

horses are dangerous and do have brakes, its just only when it suits them .

[ChrisBiggsUK]

On 21/04/2025 at 12:45, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

Yes, but horses are dangerous. 

I came off my bike once (on my CBT).  No damage to myself and only a scratch on the bike.

Got thrown off a massive Shire Horse once too.  Several broken bones.

I'll stick with bikes.  Safer.

[Hairsy]

2 hours ago, ChrisBiggsUK said:

Got thrown off a massive Shire Horse once too.

 

Ah - you're a Harley guy.

[billysugger]

Horses don't have ignition switches, so you can't shut them off 

[RideWithStyles]

Definitely won’t burn yourself on them but certainly smell, not in a pleasant way.

you can switch them off but I think RSPCA will have an interesting reply.

 

Yep ive only broke bones on horses and never a bike.

now for my brothers perspective, he only got bitten and almost kicked by a horse but definitely got properly messed up twice (ICW and major surgery) by a two motorcycles and a few times by peddle bikes.…

 

Edited Tuesday at 19:43 by RideWithStyles
Autocorrect bs

[ChrisBiggsUK]

So what we have established here is that horses are terribly dangerous and that bikes are perfectly safe and that @RideWithStyles brother is a anomaly in an otherwise perfectly smooth dataset.

This isn't just a biking forum.  This is a science forum!  

[RideWithStyles]

All I show is even a fair statistical/judgement.

I do share your view on my brother being the anomaly! .

i mean it’s almost final destination level of possible of how or why do you almost take yours fingers off poking around the front of a Peugeot rally’s rad while parked by a crash barrier at oulton park after it almost spit you into the barrier for some unknown reason …..if life ain’t telling you something.

Edited Tuesday at 19:45 by RideWithStyles

[onesea]

When I started riding people kept telling me I was going to die.

 

I looked at statistics and they are stark.

 

If you ride all year you are mostly to have a spill in the winter (I can confirm this statistic).

However if you ride only in the summer you are more likely to have an off .

 

Horse riding is more dangerous than motorbike riding as are cycles per mile. 

 

However as a middle aged man you are at more risk left on your own, than on a motorbike (see note before).

 

As for quality of gear, my belief is any gear is better than no gear. 

 

No matter how good your gear is if you hit something not friendly it's going to hurt.

 

Much comes down to luck if you go for a slide what are you going to hit? If a car pulls out  direction are you going?

 

Obviously your do your best to avoid the situation, ride regularly be aware position visibility grip etc etc

 

Note below:

360 odd motorcyclists die every year in the UK, about 5600 people commit suicide every year.  The vast majority are males.

 

My tip keep riding and avoid horses.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 22:03 by onesea

[billysugger]

We are all going to come to an end eventually, so why not go doing something you love 

[bud]

My son was hit  by a woman pulling out of a junction yesterday. I'm so glad I have brought him up to wear all the gear.

Even with new alpinestars boots his foot took some damage. He can't walk on it today. Or move his arm. 

He is at the hospital now to have it checked out.

Edited 3 hours ago by bud

[billysugger]

Hope he ain't too badly hurt

[Hairsy]

3 hours ago, bud said:

My son hit bit by a woman pulling out of a junction yesterday. I'm so glad I have brought him up to wear all the gear.

Even with new alpinestars boots his foot took some damage. He can't walk on it today. Or move his arm. 

He is at the hospital now to have it checked out.

Sorry to hear that. Best wishes to your son. And to you - its horrible when your little ones get hurt, even if they're not little any more.

[S-Westerly]

Lie, damn lies and statistics. Some of my sketchiest moments on a bike have involved sudden encounters with horses on country lanes. Horses and I do not get on ever since I was stepped on by a police horse at a football match in my youth. Bloody thing wouldn't move either so I'm fully up for the French habit of eating the bloody things.