I fell off my 125 because the lights changed and the person in front of me stopped and I didn't expect it (and grabbed alllllllllll the front brake). "Luckily" the only thing I hit was the floor So now I always expect everyone to stop at every light! I have ran a couple of "probably red as I went over the line" though as whilst I was convinced I could stop I wasn't sure about the person behind me (who normally always accelerates even more to get across on proper red red! ) .... This has been a really interesting thread, 'tis true that the real learning starts after you pass your test and never stops!