fastbob

Ah , now that's a good point . If all the correct torque settings had been adhered to from day one of the motorcycle's construction , there wouldn't be any problems at all . Most torque settings are intended to protect threads from OVER tightening . Take the case of camshaft journals that are barely finger tight before the torque wrench goes click .

He will feel it get exponentially harder to turn but then it will begin to plateau out , so to speak . That's when you STOP because that's as good as it's ever going to get . Continue past this point and it will get easier to turn as the thread strips . It's up to the judgment of the individual and the location and function of the bolt as to whether you leave it in place or go for a Helicoil next time around . Also , please bear in mind that this sort of practice is mainly applicable to older bikes that have passed through the hands of a series of DIY " Mechanics " of unknown expertise ..

I think the second passenger was added to take over the steering when the first two guys were exhausted .

Well that wasn't quite the reaction I was anticipating . Here you go , stick a big bore on it while you're at it . What's not to like ? the bike's made in China anyway.

I'm not just talking about axle nuts . I'm talking about the assumption that using a Torque Wrench makes everything guaranteed to be perfect .

Go on give it a go . https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185625710021?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=9yaVSyO-Sly&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=9xhDzDPcSSK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I won't be doing much bike related until April now unless I have another go at my ER5 .

That's the job of the adjusters . A Torque Wrench is a dangerous tool in the wrong hands . Use one on a partially damaged but serviceable thread and it won't be serviceable any more . It's no good saying " But it didn't go click " if you've already felt it go tight and then go loose again . This all stems from kids being given PlayStation instead of Meccano .

Stop , think ....what is the PURPOSE of tightening the axle bolt ? Is it to exert a certain level of pressure on the spacers that fit between the bearing centres ? Or is it to just stop the thing coming undone " By itself " ? Well let's put it this way , I have never used a Torque Wrench for anything except engine building and I have never had a wheel spindle fall out of a bike . I just stick a wrench on the nut , tighten it right up until it's rapidly getting progressively tighter and then give it an extra graunch that hurts my hand a bit .

Much better .

F**k that .

A lovely bike that would be a welcome addition to the calendar but do you have any shots with the light falling onto the bike from behind the camera ?

I should add , in case anyone missed it , that these accessories came with the bike when Ian bought it and do not reflect his taste as they do not reflect mine . That said , I may try the screen next season if I've got motorway miles to do . It only takes seconds to fit or remove . The panniers , although of good quality and of a leading make are deceptively small and wil not accept any of my very compact camping gear . The quick release backrest , despite its rather gothic appearance , is ideal for supporting a large roll bag in just the right position to provide a comfortable back support . All I need now are some leather tassels , footboards and of course a skull fender ornament .

No worries , I'll nip out to the shed this evening .

I've garaged mine for the winter now so I fitted all the touring accessories ( Screen , backrest , bags ) cos I'm fed up of shifting them around in my little flat .

There he is . Unfortunately I think he was terminated just before I posted this .

No it isn't . A lot of what they sell is pure shite . Some examples are , mild steel chromed Allen Keys , Torx wrenches that shatter and screwdrivers with tips painted black to simulate hardening . The worst that I've bought are their screwdrivers with a hex on the end . It's actually a hollow mild steel pressing that's set in the plastic and is of no use whatsoever . Pure Dogshit !

You do realise that the very existence of a Forum is a very outdated thing nowadays ? Seems to me that if it's to continue , it needs shaking up a bit . My personal opinion , put a stop to the threads Good morning and Good Night etc and What are you doing at the Weekend ? There's rarely anything bike related on them and it's just the same small group of people every time . It's small wonder that people visit once to ask a question and then leave . They probably think they have stumbled into an old folks home .

Metal working in ? Typical dealer bullshit ! They want you to keep the bike and they want to keep the money in the till . I'll say it again . It's a faulty consumer product and it should be replaced with another one that is fit for purpose . You don't want anyone splitting the crankcase and f**king around with it . You want a new one that works . If you bought a washing machine from Currys and it didn't work , would they ask you to take it back so they could have a fiddle with it ? No , they would take the old one away and give you a replacement . Sorry to be so direct about this but it infuriates me when the bike trade treats people , especially newcomers , in a different manner to other consumers .

Same story we've had on here a dozen times . Accept no bullshit from the dealership whatsoever . It is a faulty consumer product and that's the end of the discussion . Do not even refer to it as your bike . It is a bike . Take it back and state that you want a refund or a replacement and let them fix this one in their time and not yours . End of .

" Strange people everywhere " I think I've reached that stage in my psychological journey as well . I pause sometimes in Coventry City Center and watch them all go by and there is very little that I understand or recognise .

Conversely , I have never owned or ridden a Yamaha . I wouldn't trust a manufacturer that sent out bikes for decade after decade knowing that the paint is going to fall off the engine . And then there's the XS750 with its inevitable second gear failure lurking in the memory .

Oh yes ! That's right , we sold nothing but honda replacements in the shop . Electrex RR 33 or 35 if I recall . Regarding the V4 cams issue , apparently it wasn't oil after all . https://www.motorcycleproject.com/text/v4_cams_what.html

Probably not relevant today but I think Honda's got a bad reputation because in the early days they never got overhead camshaft bearings right . The issues I know about occurred with the K 1- 5 series of twins and with some smaller bikes such as the CD / CB 175 etc . The camshaft was set straight into the head and the journal was split so that the top half ran in the cylinder head cover . For reasons unknown , people used to remove the cover and put it back on using gasket sealant and incorrect torque values . Result , knackered cam shafts and engines . With the CD/CB the camshaft ran in just two plain bearings , one at each end . Couple that with no proper oil filter and the general ignorance of first time buyers or ex Brit Bike riders and there is another recipe for failure . Then there was the " Chocolate Camshafts " fiasco with the VF engines . It turned out that they were turning faster than oil could lubricate them . ( Something like that ) These are merely personal experiences and things I've read but I've never been tempted to buy a bigger Honda for long term use .