Arming all Police?

[cockercas]

Better to learn how to run and help others to safety, and call the people who are trained to handle it.

In the time its taken for them to turn up the bloke could of stabbed 50 people.

Stand your own ground, stand up for the other people around you.

The problem with the world now is that everyone expects somebody else to do it.

The generations before us was taking their problems head on, 18 and storming beaches knowing that they probaly wouldnt return home.

Now we want to get our phones out to film another person trying to fight a guy with a knife, insted of getting stuck in and helping.

[Joeman]

If you're close enough to see it, you're close enough for the suicide vest to get you. I'd rather get blown up whilst gouging the bombers eyes out with my thumbs , than get shrapnel in my back as i ran away..

[Fozzie]

In the time its taken for them to turn up the bloke could of stabbed 50 people.

Stand your own ground, stand up for the other people around you.

The problem with the world now is that everyone expects somebody else to do it.

The generations before us was taking their problems head on, 18 and storming beaches knowing that they probaly wouldnt return home.

Now we want to get our phones out to film another person trying to fight a guy with a knife, insted of getting stuck in and helping.

 

That's simply not true given just the other day a terrorist with a knife was stopped after injuring 1 person. People didn't just stand there, in fact 7 people at a distance filmed the event!

But it's beside the point as I'm on about guns. A knife is a relatively low threat as it only takes a couple of blokes to restrain someone like that as proven.

When they have a gun, you run, you cover loved ones and take the chasing bullets if you have to, but you don't stand up to that. Likewise with a suicide vest, they don't announce they have one and give you a chance to fight, they walk into a crowd and detonate. You won't see them coming.

All well and good acting the big man, but when you're dead it won't matter. For the record if it was a knife wielding maniac, I'd want a few other blokes to circle him and close in. I'm happy to take that risk as if he gets close enough to any of us, someone else can grab him. But with guns/bombs... Nah. Screw the big man act, I'd rather be alive than righteous.

[cockercas]

Your right, it wouldnt matter, but if the mrs and kids survived because i took a few seconds of the guys time then it was worth it wasnt it.

And the bloke who took out the knife attacker has been in the paper avout all the cowards filming it insted of helping.

[RantMachine]

If a bloke standing beside you suddenly explodes then you don't really get much chance to do anything about it. Or if someone starts shooting, unless they're stood right beside you at the time and don't happen to shoot you first then once again you won't really get a chance to do anything. Running away from a man with a gun isn't cowardly, and an unarmed man in a gunfight isn't heroic - he's a corpse

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(and that bloke had a sword - how are you gonna fare with a Tesco bag and an umbrella? )

[cockercas]

Agreed but you cant out run bullets.

[Fozzie]

Agreed but you cant out run bullets.

 

No put a moving target is harder to hit. Running while shielding your family buys them more time and distance, and also affords you a chance of survival to then look after them after the event.

I looked for the gif above but stopped by god damn work filters as it elegantly makes the point

[Joe85]

Do it anywhere near the city at a time that prevents the traders getting to thier desks and earning money, and the traders will tear the knifeman to bits! They are typically young hot headed males from the east end of London, with testosterone flowing, a hangover from the night before and they don't take too kindly to people stopping them earning their bonuses.

I've heard stories about protestors trying to blockage office building being beaten to a pulp by city traders (many of them white collar boxers) before continuing to thier desk for market open. A lone knifeman wouldn't stand a chance.

Not seen any of them, Joeman, and I work on (not a trader) a trading floor for a big American bank.

It's all double barreled names and equine features.

I'm sure some of them are hard, but the majority are just middle aged, rather wealthy, run of the mill blokes and birds.

[Joe85]

There's a lot of Hollywood talk going on here, but I suspect the reality of such a situation would be entirely different. No one knows how they're going to react, quite frankly, and anyone who says they're going to run round delivering Judo chops to every bloke with an automatic rifle is either kidding themselves or the first victim.

Of course, people are on edge and a loud bang gets people frightened and so on. But, these ***** like to attack when things have claimed down, relatively speaking, hence why when they ran shooting into that theatre it took people some time to realise just what was happening.

Bombs are completely different, by the time you realise a bomb has gone off the damage is done.

[cockercas]

Agreed but you cant out run bullets.

 

No put a moving target is harder to hit. Running while shielding your family buys them more time and distance, and also affords you a chance of survival to then look after them after the event.

I looked for the gif above but stopped by god damn work filters as it elegantly makes the point

 

I disagree, shooting moving targets is very easy.

[Hoggs]

I disagree, shooting moving targets is very easy.

 

Unless you're a stormtrooper.

[Six30]

I've started going out armed... One in each pocket..

[NeilM]

Put simply.

It's fight or flight.

Exactly the same scenario as when you were in the pub at 18 and it kicked off.

Did you jump through the window to escape or have a go?

[Six30]

Put simply.

It's fight or flight.

Exactly the same scenario as when you were in the pub at 18 and it kicked off.

Did you jump through the window to escape or have a go?

 

Hmm.. Not quite the same scenario

[Fozzie]

I disagree, shooting moving targets is very easy.

 

Unless you're a stormtrooper.

 

OMMMMG STAAAAR WAAAARS! 9 days...

*deep breath*

Nearest targets are the most in danger, running away is better than standing still. I don't really care if you'd find it easy to hit a moving target, it's less easy than hitting a stationary target.

[Guest]

All Police and Guardia Civil (heavy mob) are armed here in Spain.

If something does kick off they will shoot! And people know it!

Personally I'm bloody glad of it!

[Wynne G Oldman]

As far as I'm aware, the majority of Police Officers do not want to be armed. I think that they understand that if the Police are armed, much more criminals will arm themselves and we'll end up like the USA. I shoot small bore and I pretty much like the way that firearms are regulated in this country, apart from I do think that target shooters should be allowed to use .22 single shot pistols over here. It's a ridiculous situation where our Olympic Target Pistol team has to go abroad to practise. We had to be given a Special Dispensation for a .22 Target Pistol competition to be held at Glasgow 2012, so that could actually take place. How embarrassing. Firearms are very well regulated in this country, and it's very, very rare that a legally held gun is used in criminal activity. Most people don't know how many people actually own guns legally, for example there are over 11,000 people with FAC's in Greater Manchester alone. Most people have a very skewed image of people who own firearms, probably from all the sensationalist crap you see in the media. At my club, you couldn't wish to meet a bunch of more sensible, well balanced, decent people if you tried. The reason for that is that is that we're all vetted by the Police for our criminal records, before we are allowed to even become a club member, let alone purchase a firearm. Anyone with any sort of mental illness, including depression, or stress, has to have the agreement of their Doctor, before obtaining a FAC. This can be relinquished at any time, if the holder doesn't attend the club, if that was given as a reason for holding the firearm, or if the holder relapses to their illness. Gun crime is very low in this country, (around 200 deaths a year, compared to the USA's average off roughly 30,000). So I think that we're doing pretty well in that department. Sorry for the ramble, but sometimes, I do get a bit carried away with myself.

[Gin]

The only gun club I know of, in bedforshire, is very well run and they're super strict on their members.

Though I do think the legislation for Airsoft guns needs to be tightened up considerably. They can look pretty much identical to real guns and any John Smith of the public wouldn't know different if they were being used for a jewellery shop robbery (In fact, a lot of them are for this reason..)

At the moment you only need a card to say you've played 3 games in a period of time longer than 2 months and even them most police don't know about or understand UKARA.

Think this should get pulled up by its shoe laces so that you have to have a proper licence to own airsoft guns. Would make the sport itself safer, less likely for people to be able to use them for things like shop hold ups etc and police wouldn't be so alarmed when they stop a group of airsofters going to a game with a boot fun of guns!

[cockercas]

I thorght all imitation guns had to be bright orange now?

[Gin]

Nope, only if you are under 16 (18 maybe though I think that's just pyros) or don't own a UKARA card / on the UKARA database.

[Six30]

I thorght all imitation guns had to be bright orange now?

 

High vis guns

[NeilM]

Don't start. ...lol

[Mr Fro]

What about cant?

[MrBrightside]

:stupid

At the moment you only need a card to say you've played 3 games in a period of time longer than 2 months and even them most police don't know about or understand UKARA.

Think this should get pulled up by its shoe laces so that you have to have a proper licence to own airsoft guns. Would make the sport itself safer, less likely for people to be able to use them for things like shop hold ups etc and police wouldn't be so alarmed when they stop a group of airsofters going to a game with a boot fun of guns!

 

Oi!! I think you'll find most do understand it . When the VCRA/PRA was introduced legislating the sale of air weapons, the sale of airsoft guns was also tightened, including definitions of imitation forearms, RIF's etc. In the states replicas and airsoft have to have orange muzzles, maybe they should here?

I'd like think that responsible airsoft players (and I go now and again) would carry their weapons responsibly and the vast majority I've come across do, but there are some dickheads.

Edited December 10, 2015 by MrBrightside

[Gin]

Haha You are right, a friend I have helps to run an airsoft shop in Reading (Airsoft Armoires, really great guys ) and he says the amount of youths just wanting something to shoot cats with or adults who should know better who bring their rifles in for repairs with nothing to cover them with

But equally I know people who have been stopped on the motorway and had the armed response squad called even though they tried to show the boxes stating that they were only airsoft guns.

My other half has had his uni door bashed down by armed police after the repair man had seen the gun bags in his wardrobe.

In all of the situations I know, the police have been great about it once they understood the situation (and even commented to Jay that his hip holster was better than their standard ones and where he could buy one! ).

Still wouldn't hurt to have more ruling in place for people to have proper licences that are recognised country wide by police.