okupant Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 All went ok until emergency braking - got that very bad habit to press a clutch lever. !@#$% Blocked back wheel and failed.Please advise, how to get rid if that habit, I've got time till Monday midday Practise only and think every time until it become a babit?ThanksSeb Quote
Mississippi Bullfrog Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 Basically you've answered the question yourself - get on it and practice. Just get it into your head that leaving the clutch alone gives you more control. Start slow - like learning anything - you need to develop muscle memory so it becomes instinctive. Quote
Westbeef Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 All went ok until emergency braking - got that very bad habit to press a clutch lever. !@#$% Blocked back wheel and failed.Please advise, how to get rid if that habit, I've got time till Monday midday Practise only and think every time until it become a babit?ThanksSeb Sorry to hear your failed mate,This is the second time I've seen the part in bold though, am I being daft - pulling the clutch lever in won't cause you to lock the back wheel? If you did lock the back wheel I'm sure that's just too much pressure on the rear brake. Quote
Bender Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 They could possibly fail you on pulling the clutch in early as your loosing a slight amount of engine braking, with regards the rear locking, you only need a slight amount of rear brake, they can't tell if your pressing hard or just a little.You need to get into a routine and get so used to it that you don't have to think about it. Front brake and brake progressively harder as you slow the more you slow the more you can apply it, back brake same time as the front and to be honest as long as they see your foot move you should be fine, and as your coming to a stop clutch in.Remember your front brake does most of the work and the weight of you and your bike gets transferred to it so if you apply too much pressure on rear it will lock up. Sorry to see you failed, good luck with the next one. Quote
Via Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 When I did my CBT the instructors were talking about a debate they had over locking rear wheel with examiners, basically one examiner would allow a small amount of rear wheel locking if rider was still in control and not 'excessive' (but would not give an opinion on what was excessive) another said any locking at all is loosing control therefore a straight fail. As a result of that they now teach on emergency stop to only use front brake and to just pretend to use rear. Quote
bonio Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 I'm with Beefy - sounds like the issue is too much rear brake. Quote
Snod Blatter Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 You need to keep the clutch out so that the engine continues to try and drive the rear wheel, this will stop it from locking unless you are very cack-footed.Source - failed Mod 1 by locking the rear because I was pulling the clutch in (OPERATE ALL THE THINGS!), examiner explained why the clutch should be kept out and not touched until basically stopped. It works. Quote
okupant Posted January 16, 2018 Author Posted January 16, 2018 I'd like to thank everyone of you for the opinion/advise.I'm at work Wed and Thu, but on Fri I'm back on training. The exam is not a difficult one, I know. I'll pass it sooner or later. But better sooner, because it is very expensive - £145.5 each time Once again, thank youSeb Quote
mas101 Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 When I did my CBT the instructors were talking about a debate they had over locking rear wheel with examiners, basically one examiner would allow a small amount of rear wheel locking if rider was still in control and not 'excessive' (but would not give an opinion on what was excessive) another said any locking at all is loosing control therefore a straight fail. As a result of that they now teach on emergency stop to only use front brake and to just pretend to use rear. This. I was told to just cover the rear brake so that it looked as if I was using it. Other option - get a bike with abs ? Quote
Guest Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 Front brake squeeze will naturally draw your hand forward to reduce revs, cause front to dip increasing front tyre surface friction, once front dips and bike noticeably slows then lightly on the rear simply for control and increase slowing rate, clutch only to avoid stalling so apply last thing. Most important is don’t use rear brake first or as a main brake and don’t grab at the front brake. Front brake does 90% of the work. Quote
Guest Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 No. Just learn to use the back brake properly. Locking the wheel = lack of control. Quote
okupant Posted January 19, 2018 Author Posted January 19, 2018 Buzz, that's what I do.Speedy23, I'm working on it as well.I feel more confident now then on the exam. My instructor is happy too, so there's an improvement Once again, thank you all.Seb Quote
okupant Posted January 22, 2018 Author Posted January 22, 2018 I pass today with 2 minors.Thank you all for advice. Mod 2 on Friday morning. Seb Quote
HomerPlata Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Try practising an initial squeeze of both brakes, briefly let them out smoothly, then smoothly apply again until you stop. Even if you can't help pulling the clutch in, this should prevent your back wheel locking up, because you've taken off the top end of your speed before you apply the brakes a second time. Quote
Bender Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Try practising an initial squeeze of both brakes, briefly let them out smoothly, then smoothly apply again until you stop. Even if you can't help pulling the clutch in, this should prevent your back wheel locking up, because you've taken off the top end of your speed before you apply the brakes a second time. You missed the boat he passed. Well done, good luck on Fri. Quote
HomerPlata Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Try practising an initial squeeze of both brakes, briefly let them out smoothly, then smoothly apply again until you stop. Even if you can't help pulling the clutch in, this should prevent your back wheel locking up, because you've taken off the top end of your speed before you apply the brakes a second time. You missed the boat he passed. Well done, good luck on Fri. Haha, I do believe you're correct Congrats and good luck for Mod 2! Quote
Gavc88 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Congrats!You’ve done the hard bit!Now just a lil’ ride to go! Quote
okupant Posted January 26, 2018 Author Posted January 26, 2018 It was a happy morning for me - I have passed a Mod 2 exam The insurance company informed (no change to premium though), L-plates got rid off.I hope, in few months time, to buy a Suzuki V-strom 650.Thank you all for the support and advice!Seb Quote
mikestrivens Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Well done. Excellent news. Ride safely. Quote
Tango Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Congrats mate.......happy bike shopping, when the time comes...... Quote
Hoggs Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 top stuff. real learning starts here don't forget to keep doing your lifesavers Quote
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