manxie49 Posted November 30, 2021 Posted November 30, 2021 TT 2022 Schedule has now been confirmed .... Fingers crossed it all goes ahead this year. https://iomttraces.com/latest/news/tt-2022-schedule-confirmed-jun21/?fbclid=IwAR0Oipyyh1TIqUMGrhui2Vn3ZbJPrSkhiklpdvquPDtkSXFCBUxQz-DzqqI 2 Quote
skyrider Posted November 30, 2021 Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, manxie49 said: TT 2022 Schedule has now been confirmed .... Fingers crossed it all goes ahead this year. https://iomttraces.com/latest/news/tt-2022-schedule-confirmed-jun21/?fbclid=IwAR0Oipyyh1TIqUMGrhui2Vn3ZbJPrSkhiklpdvquPDtkSXFCBUxQz-DzqqI only hope this covid doesnt go any worse and the whole thing doesnt go pear shaped again 1 Quote
skyrider Posted April 24, 2022 Posted April 24, 2022 The deal for Michael Dunlop to ride a PBM ducati on the roads this year has fallen through he will up to now be riding an R6 and a blade Quote
manxie49 Posted April 24, 2022 Author Posted April 24, 2022 4 hours ago, skyrider said: The deal for Michael Dunlop to ride a PBM ducati on the roads this year has fallen through he will up to now be riding an R6 and a blade Yes, I just read about that this morning, IOM TT page needs updating! I would love to have seen him race the Panigale as well .... https://www.newsletter.co.uk/sport/motorcycling/michael-dunlop-pbm-ducati-deal-for-isle-of-man-tt-is-off-3666246 Quote
S-Westerly Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 Much as I like the TT the cost of 5 deaths this year is a steep price to pay, especially for the families involved. 2 Quote
Trooper74 Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 The terrible loss this year has to have some context, 11 people have died in the UK “wild swimming” so far this year. 277 deaths in 2021. There does seem to be something happening with sidecars this year, no injuries just fatalities, all along the same mile of track. Something is happening. As we get closer to the 140 mile lap i suspect the solo deaths will continue to rise as well. I do wish John McG, and Michael Rutter would consider their position. 3 Quote
S-Westerly Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 Very true. And of course on the TT if you lose it you are almost inevitably going to get hurt as there's nearly always something you are going to hit hard. Quote
manxie49 Posted June 11, 2022 Author Posted June 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Trooper74 said: The terrible loss this year has to have some context, 11 people have died in the UK “wild swimming” so far this year. 277 deaths in 2021. There does seem to be something happening with sidecars this year, no injuries just fatalities, all along the same mile of track. Something is happening. As we get closer to the 140 mile lap i suspect the solo deaths will continue to rise as well. I do wish John McG, and Michael Rutter would consider their position. It seems very strange that both sidecars lost it at ago's leap. I really hope they find that it's nothing to do with the road, I believe the road in that area was recently re-surfaced with alterations to the adjoining pavement? I do know there was a lot of work going on down there in the months prior to TT. Quote
Bender Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 It's more likely the speed with the leap coupled with aero on the sidecar which will be a lot worse on sidecar unloading suspension and trying to fly, very sad. Quote
Stapedog Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 I just hope there is a thorough investigation, and if its proven there are added risks due to road rebound/ aerodynamics I hope something can be improved, so that in 2023 we are only talking about the good things. Quote
Bender Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Stapedog said: I just hope there is a thorough investigation, and if its proven there are added risks due to road rebound/ aerodynamics I hope something can be improved, so that in 2023 we are only talking about the good things. Might get lucky but unfortunately at those speeds the slightest error, human, mechanical or setup there are no safe places to have an off, everyone is aware of the risks, one of my best mates died 5yrs ago, not only did he know the risks he was there paying respect to one of his mates who died the year before. The deaths will only stop when the race stops. Quote
Trooper74 Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 31 minutes ago, Bender said: Might get lucky but unfortunately at those speeds the slightest error, human, mechanical or setup there are no safe places to have an off, everyone is aware of the risks, one of my best mates died 5yrs ago, not only did he know the risks he was there paying respect to one of his mates who died the year before. The deaths will only stop when the race stops. Motorcycling, the deaths will only stop when the Motorcycling stops. Are you on the right web site ??? Quote
Bender Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, Trooper74 said: Motorcycling, the deaths will only stop when the Motorcycling stops. Are you on the right web site ??? Yes, I didn't say it should stop, just that there is very little that can be done to make the tt a non life threatening race 1 Quote
billy sugger Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 The bikes are getting faster each year, so there are too many unknowns as to the cause of the crashes, but I suspect they are experiencing lift issues, so losing grip or bring lifted into the air and flipped. Look on YouTube for videos of le mans cars Flipping over on the back straight among the trees, even though their aerodynamics are meant to keep them glued to the track 1 Quote
Stapedog Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 Such a difficult topic to address, the bikes are so so good and tech development improves each day, the rider being the non predictable element. The races will hopefully last long into the future. The problem we will face will be the pressure of people sat on social media, who know nothing of the sport, or the people who spend 50 weeks of the year; thinking of, planning for, and dreaming about the other 2 weeks of the year on the Rock. The social media doggooders will be the biggest experts around and will put pressure on authorities to restrict the riders just because they don't want to read a bad headline in the news. 2 Quote
Bender Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 6 hours ago, billy sugger said: The bikes are getting faster each year, so there are too many unknowns as to the cause of the crashes, but I suspect they are experiencing lift issues, so losing grip or bring lifted into the air and flipped. Look on YouTube for videos of le mans cars Flipping over on the back straight among the trees, even though their aerodynamics are meant to keep them glued to the track They do till the aero works against them, merc f1 can't work out what's happening with their cars with a budget beyond the dreams of any sidecar team. 2 Quote
Trooper74 Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) Watching the sidecars land at Ago’s Leap tells any competent Engineer that something is going very wrong ... these are essentially 80’s Formula 2 / 3 cars with a wheel missing. On smooth UK circuits they perform with elegance at high speed .. on the bumps of the TT and some Irish / Ulster road circuits a different type of outfit would seem to be required ... Wasp MX outfit with slicks and fairings ? Who knows, there’s so many dynamics issues to be addressed .... and they should be addressed. But the first port must be suspension ... there is virtually no suspension on these race vehicles ... 35 - 40 mm is not working suspension for anything expected to cope with roads ... Edited June 12, 2022 by Trooper74 Quote
Bender Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 Plenty of footage of bikes almost getting it wrong on the leap over the years, speed keeps increasing the errors human or mechanical just get magnified Quote
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