Councils and bus lanes.

[RideWithStyles]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1346nz2ljro.amp.

 

I will not add my comment yet but many areas have the same problem, pay attention to the figures/percentages the council give….

[Fiddlesticks]

If the bus lane is sitting mostly empty while cars queue in the other lane perhaps they should just scrap it altogether.

[Simon Davey]

A case of nothing else to do with the money from the government. 

Then realise they've screwed up, but no problem, rather than make it safe, we'll just ban motorbikes. 

[husoi]

Having applied for the senior bus pass which will take me anywhere in Scotland for free I can't complain about it 

[smallfrowne]

Oh yes you can. 

 

There's one popped up near me. It was only ever a single lane, but very wide. Now they've put a bus lane on it and it's all complaints about people queuing in their cages. But it's errr exactly the same as before except busses have more of a chance. It's also not for motorbikes, which doesn't make sense though, there's not an "unsafe" choke point at the end like in the article. Just racist towards bikers. And now it's not as wide it's harder to filter I imagine. I don't commute anymore so I've no need to complain other than I feel it's a bit racist and classic if-I've-got-to-queue-so-have-you mentalism. We all know bikes are cool so are at the top of the food chain and look down upon the cager. 

[RideWithStyles]

Yep Fliddles, in many areas like Lancashire/yorkshire have quite a few of them all a waste. that money would have been far better spent elsewhere….hell even repairing roads they can’t be bothered/ignore to do.

 

Exactly SD- though I’m guessing it’s more of a default response of when tut is brought up because council didnt think about “them” while they were going through the process of at any time it all, sad and disgraceful!

 

yet a cyclists can use it? Ill use the general commuter that doesn’t spend £5k on skinny carbon frame , brakes of milk bottle tops, wears paint on clothing for a bean pole with thighs of young Schwartznigger that might beable to keep a slow motorised vehicle within vision or not be a moving chicane.
so a smaller and very slow mode of transport being less able to look behind them (no mirrors nor any legal need) still hunched over bars will still need to filter back at some point with a speed difference so vast is safer than the motorbike??? F********king retards.

 

Another point id say is cycle helmets should be legal requirements the bare minimum end of, they save injuries and life’s after all! I have other ideas but it might be viewed as too radical.

Edited August 2, 2024 by RideWithStyles

[Fiddlesticks]

Related.

Just had a note through the door from the local council's "Climate Emergency Committee" consulting on 20mph zones.

Not sure how riding everywhere in first gear is going to save the planet, but hey-ho.

Apparently, they're not really interested in objections to the scheme per se - it's already been decided despite earlier opposition. They just want suggestions as to where they can best put up their new signage.

Hm. Tricky one...

 

[Simon Davey]

2 minutes ago, Fiddlesticks said:

 They just want suggestions as to where they can best put up their new signage.

Hm. Tricky one...

 

 

Easy to imagine your suggestion 

[S-Westerly]

My neck of the woods it's bonkers - some bus lanes are for motorbikes too but in others they are not allowed in them. Often the signs are hidden in the hedges as the council rarely trim them anymore so you take your chances. As for 20 mph Bristol city centre is all 20 mph and apparently the town centre moves no faster than when the traffic was horse-drawn. 

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

Chester introduced bus lanes through the city centre despite everyone telling them it wouldn't work. Though happily motorcycles were allowed to use them. 

 

It didn't work. The city centre came to a standstill. They lasted about 6 weeks and then they scrapped the entire scheme. A shedload of public money wasted. 

 

The most annoying thing was that everyone knew it wouldn't work. I have no idea how it ever got through the planning process. 

[Pie man]

On 02/08/2024 at 08:28, RideWithStyles said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1346nz2ljro.amp.

 

I will not add my comment yet but many areas have the same problem, pay attention to the figures/percentages the council give….

Good Old BBC Bull shit no news news and Clowncil % reporting. To report in percentages because real numbers are values and if 5 people normally ride on the bus and 3 more embark they have 61% Easy to quote percentages to sway the decision in their favour.  

[AstronautNinja]

3 hours ago, Pie man said:

Good Old BBC Bull shit no news news and Clowncil % reporting. To report in percentages because real numbers are values and if 5 people normally ride on the bus and 3 more embark they have 61% Easy to quote percentages to sway the decision in their favour.  

73% of the time this works every time

[Mickly]

Bus lane access for Motorcycles across Coventry is a f*kin nightmare, some you can some you can’t, you have to be psychic to spot the signs ahead of making the move.

Also you get loads of gestures from other road users as you breeze passed who have missed the signs

[Stu]

7 hours ago, Pie man said:

Good Old BBC Bull shit no news news and Clowncil % reporting. To report in percentages because real numbers are values and if 5 people normally ride on the bus and 3 more embark they have 61% Easy to quote percentages to sway the decision in their favour.  

 

Got anything to back that claim up? 

 

Working in the bus industry I see everything that is going on right down the the revenue and passenger numbers! 

 

The figures are pretty much spot on from the council not made up like you think! 

 

The public transport industry has suffered massively due to the pandemic and it's still a long way off pre covid levels. 

 

There is more cars on the road today than 4 years and half years ago and there is also more people hybrid working that's affecting passenger numbers. 

 

As a result of more cars the journey times of buses has increased hence the need to try and speed up travel times to encourage people to use the bus to relieve congestion. 

 

Bus lanes done cause congestion it's the next pinch point on that road or the fact the traffic lights are only letting a handful of cars through the junction. 

 

Our bus lanes have just recently changed and guess what! Still traffic

[IndigoJo]

On 02/08/2024 at 08:28, RideWithStyles said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1346nz2ljro.amp.

 

I will not add my comment yet but many areas have the same problem, pay attention to the figures/percentages the council give….

I notice they don't even bother to find out what the "safety issue at the end" is. There's the main bypass which ends at the roundabout with Colliters Way; the road and bus lane continues for a few hundred yards to the B3128 interchange, where the latter joins with a slip road, and then there is two open lanes until it reaches the Ashton Gate interchange. There's no "choke point" as far as I can see.

[angrybear]

There's a bus lane for most of the road from mine in to Exeter city centre, but if you bother to look at the signs it says only at certain times of day,

9/10 cars don't use it even when open to them because most drivers don't pay attention & drive on auto pilot.

Doesn't make sense to me why bikes can't use it, but I'm baffled as to why any biker would need to "sit in traffic",  unless they wanted to.

[AstronautNinja]

4 hours ago, angrybear said:

There's a bus lane for most of the road from mine in to Exeter city centre, but if you bother to look at the signs it says only at certain times of day,

9/10 cars don't use it even when open to them because most drivers don't pay attention & drive on auto pilot.

Doesn't make sense to me why bikes can't use it, but I'm baffled as to why any biker would need to "sit in traffic",  unless they wanted to.

There's miles of them near me and I'm normally the only one using them because no one reads the signs. 

[breff.]

On 02/08/2024 at 11:18, RideWithStyles said:

Another point id say is cycle helmets should be legal requirements the bare minimum end of, they save injuries and life’s after all! I have other ideas but it might be viewed as too radical.

I object M' Lud. Cycle helmets are more negative in that they reduce cycling. I'm a Fat Lardy 62 year old that wouldn't wear lycra for a Bet!

Also, Why bring that up at all? 

[Old-codger]

Having a brain injury will have a negative impact on cycling too so its a yes from me. Make it compulsory to wear a helmet if you ride a e scooter/ pushbike on public roads/paths. Oh and insurance should be compulsory to.

[RideWithStyles]

18 hours ago, breff. said:

I object M' Lud. Cycle helmets are more negative in that they reduce cycling. I'm a Fat Lardy 62 year old that wouldn't wear lycra for a Bet!

Also, Why bring that up at all? 

Im no lord.

Helmets do more benefit than negatives.

Said nothing about Lycra so actually I don’t know WHY YOU BROUGHT THAT UP?

[husoi]

14 hours ago, Old-codger said:

Having a brain injury will have a negative impact on cycling too so its a yes from me. Make it compulsory to wear a helmet if you ride a e scooter/ pushbike on public roads/paths. Oh and insurance should be compulsory to.

I'm not sure cyclists can have a brain injury....

[AstronautNinja]

7 minutes ago, husoi said:

I'm not sure cyclists can have a brain injury....

Schools important but cycling is importanter 

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

Me and SWMBO cycled 160 miles around Norfolk last week. Wearing helmets. No lycra. 

 

The roads round Norfolk are way better than the cratered surface we get in Cheshire. 

 

The standard of driving was generally much better as well. Other than people driving hire boats on the Broads.  In some places it was a cross between Butlins afloat and a demolition Derby. 

 

We got the bus into Norwich one day when the forecast was a bit iffy. I never use the buses at home, not least because the last bus that came through our village was in 1967.

 

The buses in Norfolk are brilliant.  £2 for a 15 mile journey. Sat at the front of the top deck and you can see for miles. And they were bang on schedule. 

Edited August 12, 2024 by Mississippi Bullfrog

[S-Westerly]

Round our way it's £2 for any journey on local buses. Of course some of us more ahem older folks get a bus pass. Have been known to take a bus out somewhere interesting and then walk back. 15 miles max for me but the Duracell Bunny that I married is keen for 20 or more. Taxi!

[Stu]

At the moment bus fares are capped at £2 funded by the government all over the UK