rob m Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Bender said: This ain't the grammar thread thumb Thumb? Who is Thumb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 My MiL summed up why this was a pointless discussion some years ago when she justified her pro capital punishment stance by saying “WELL, WELL I’LL TELL YOU WHY IT WOULDNT MATTER IF THE GUILDFORD FOR WHERE HANGED, IF THEY’D BEEN HANGED THEY WOULDNT HAVE STILL BEEN AROUND TO MAKE A FUSS ABOUT IT WOULD THEY” and there in lays the simplicity of some folks minds and why I should buy that cave in Spain.. let me know if some sort of evolution takes place in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkW Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 36 minutes ago, Bender said: Nope I'm of an opinion that some and a very few cases are irrefutable Like Sally Clark? You still haven't told us if you would have pulled the lever on her after the Crown Court and the Appeals Court found her guilty... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, MarkW said: Like Sally Clark? You still haven't told us if you would have pulled the lever on her after the Crown Court and the Appeals Court found her guilty... As usual pro death penalty mobs follow up is the sound of tumbleweed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Swagman Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Slowlycatchymonkey said: As usual pro death penalty mobs follow up is the sound of tumbleweed. I don’t know why you are all so into this topic, let’s face it the death penalty is long gone and will never return, why keep harping on about what one or the others opinion is, you’re opinion is yours and theirs is theirs you will always get that, so no matter what you say you will not convince them they are wrong on either argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, MarkW said: Like Sally Clark? You still haven't told us if you would have pulled the lever on her after the Crown Court and the Appeals Court found her guilty... Did she admit to doing it? Had she done it in the past, admitted that she had done it, served time for her previous murders and then murdered again? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Swagman said: I don’t know why you are all so into this topic, let’s face it the death penalty is long gone and will never return, why keep harping on about what one or the others opinion is, you’re opinion is yours and theirs is theirs you will always get that, so no matter what you say you will not convince them they are wrong on either argument. Yup this all started because I said I would happily pull the rope on the one I sent down, apparently to hold that belief though I am to personally fetch back the death sentence and I think but I may be wrong, be held responsible for every previous miscarriage of justice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James in Brum Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Does that mean you are not arguing for the death penalty? You would happily kill the person from your trial if given free from consequence opportunity but that you are not looking to bring back the death penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkW Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 21 minutes ago, Bender said: Did she admit to doing it? Had she done it in the past, admitted that she had done it, served time for her previous murders and then murdered again? So are you saying there are different levels of 'guilty'? That a guilty verdict from two courts for killing two babies doesn't warrant the death penalty, but a previous conviction for killing another one would? And someone who admitted their guilt would automatically be executed and someone who didn't wouldn't? I'm struggling to detect anything that even vaguely resembles logic in your argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkW Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 24 minutes ago, Bender said: Yup this all started because I said I would happily pull the rope on the one I sent down, apparently to hold that belief though I am to personally fetch back the death sentence and I think but I may be wrong, be held responsible for every previous miscarriage of justice. Jesus Christ - this is like pulling teeth... Nobody has asked you - even if it were possible - to take responsibility for previous miscarriages of justice. How have you managed to arrive at that conclusion? What I am trying to get you to understand is that there is no way you can have your cake and eat it - in other words, that there is no way you can provide for the execution of the 'genuinely deserving' without simultaneously running the risk of eventually punishing the innocent. You seem to think that this is possible, based on some ability to discern those rare, special cases where the death penalty should be applied. What I am saying is that there are also cases that look exactly like rare, special cases where the death penalty should be applied, but which are nothing of the sort, and sooner or later an innocent person will be executed. Now, unless you believe that you have hit upon some infallible new method of divining truth, as yet unknown to the entire legal profession, then you mustaccept that the same injustices that have gone before will follow. From there you only have two logical positions: either that their wrongful deaths at the hands of the State are acceptable collateral damage, or that you haven't thought your position through very well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkW Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 47 minutes ago, Swagman said: I don’t know why you are all so into this topic, let’s face it the death penalty is long gone and will never return, why keep harping on about what one or the others opinion is, you’re opinion is yours and theirs is theirs you will always get that, so no matter what you say you will not convince them they are wrong on either argument. I really wouldn't be too sure about that. If the last five years have taught the Tories anything it's that pandering to the basest instincts of the most impenetrably stupid members of society pays off rather well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 27 minutes ago, MarkW said: So are you saying there are different levels of 'guilty'? That a guilty verdict from two courts for killing two babies doesn't warrant the death penalty, but a previous conviction for killing another one would? And someone who admitted their guilt would automatically be executed and someone who didn't wouldn't? I'm struggling to detect anything that even vaguely resembles logic in your argument. So did she admit to it too? Did her defence rest on her admitting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, rob m said: Thumb? Who is Thumb? Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 45 minutes ago, James in Brum said: Does that mean you are not arguing for the death penalty? You would happily kill the person from your trial if given free from consequence opportunity but that you are not looking to bring back the death penalty? I wasn't particularly bothered about fetching it back but it appears I have to to pull the cord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkW Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Bender said: So did she admit to it too? Did her defence rest on her admitting it OK, so if she admitted it she should automatically be considered for the death penalty. I can see how that might result in slightly fewer people owning up in the dock, but glossing over that for a moment how do we deal with the ones who claim they didn't do it? You appear to be reserving your harshest penalty for the ones who are honest, and either trusting to some infallible (or at least 'within an acceptable margin of error') ability to divine truth with the others, or just hedging your bets and presumably giving them life imprisonment. Is that a fair summation? Edited December 31, 2020 by MarkW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, MarkW said: OK, so if she admitted it she should automatically be considered for the death penalty. I can see how that might result in slightly fewer people owning up in the dock, but glossing over that for a moment how do we deal with the ones who claim they didn't do it? You appear to be reserving your harshest penalty for the ones who are honest, and either trusting to some infallible (or at least 'within an acceptable margin of error') ability to divine truth with the others, or just hedging your bets and presumably giving them life imprisonment. Is that a fair summation? No I'm going off personal experience and my willingness to send him to the gallows, still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, MarkW said: Logic like this coming soon to a jury near you. Be afraid... Apologies @S-Westerly - I'm deliberately being a twat - but phrases like "Incontrovertible DNA evidence" are enough to send a shudder down the spine of any microbiologist. I'm not offended, interested in what you say. I know dna can be contaminated but my son in law is a cop and some of the things he's seen do make you understand why some people consider judicial killing desirable. Funnily enough he does not, but he does think certain crimes should carry life long sentences. At least then if new evidence does come to light the prisoner may get some life back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) How many hours til 2021? Cos for sheer tenacity never mind the intellectual weight Mark W has already earned a nomination for MOTY! Edited December 31, 2020 by Slowlycatchymonkey 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six30 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Slowlycatchymonkey said: How many hours til 2021? Cos for sheer tenacity never mind the intellectual weight Mark W has already earned a nomination for MOTY! What for ... going on and on and on and on and fooking on... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Six30 said: What for ... going on and on and on and on and fooking on... Shhh young un 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six30 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Slowlycatchymonkey said: Shhh young un Stop it ... I’ve visions of you in a leather cap whirling a whip round and about to spank me ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Six30 said: Stop it ... I’ve visions of you in a leather cap whirling a whip round and about to spank me ... You’re welcome. Happy New Year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rennie Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 lets have an amnesty till next year? I need to get pissed and try to remember how to enjoy myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six30 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Slowlycatchymonkey said: You’re welcome. Happy New Year Just put my Borat Mankini on and a Ronald McDonald ginger wig to return the favour happy new year 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper74 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Capital punishment ... was so desired by Irish terrorists that when the couldn't get it by the most horrific of acts they would starve themselves to death .... The death wish walk amongst us ... But on a happier note ..... the kids are back at school next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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