James in Brum Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 Hi gang. what are the options for electric motorbikes at the moment? Realistic ones. the Zero sr/s (I think it is that), the faired one has enough range on it for my commutes. what are the competitors? I prefer the idea of a faired bike but doesn’t have to be. I don’t think I can buy one now but starting to think about it. Quote
Stu Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 Bit of a tricky one as I don't think anyone has and electric motorbike on here so recommendations would be hard! Also with the lack of interest from this lot I don't think any of them are bothered about them so not bothered to look 1 Quote
Bender Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stu said: Bit of a tricky one as I don't think anyone has and electric motorbike on here so recommendations would be hard! Also with the lack of interest from this lot I don't think any of them are bothered about them so not bothered to look Oy I'm interested Twat Harley has dropped price on the pan although its still much dinero https://www.motorcyclenews.com/amp/advice/best/electric-motorbikes/ 2 Quote
James in Brum Posted July 30, 2021 Author Posted July 30, 2021 The Harley without the Harley badge looks cheaper than the zero Sr/s at about fifteen grand. ideally I want to buy one of these second hand at about five to eight thousand (with imaginary money because I cannot quite afford that at te moment. Quote
Bender Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 33 minutes ago, James in Brum said: The Harley without the Harley badge looks cheaper than the zero Sr/s at about fifteen grand. ideally I want to buy one of these second hand at about five to eight thousand (with imaginary money because I cannot quite afford that at te moment. It's a start and it's the future Quote
fullscreenaging Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 3 hours ago, James in Brum said: Hi gang. what are the options for electric motorbikes at the moment? Realistic ones. the Zero sr/s (I think it is that), the faired one has enough range on it for my commutes. what are the competitors? I prefer the idea of a faired bike but doesn’t have to be. I don’t think I can buy one now but starting to think about it. 1 hour ago, Stu said: Bit of a tricky one as I don't think anyone has and electric motorbike on here so recommendations would be hard! Also with the lack of interest from this lot I don't think any of them are bothered about them so not bothered to look Stu is right. My answer today is 0 My answer in 2035 is still 0 2 Quote
Six30 Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 3 hours ago, James in Brum said: Hi gang. what are the options for electric motorbikes at the moment? Realistic ones. the Zero sr/s (I think it is that), the faired one has enough range on it for my commutes. what are the competitors? I prefer the idea of a faired bike but doesn’t have to be. I don’t think I can buy one now but starting to think about it. Why do you want an electric bike ? Quote
Gerontious Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, James in Brum said: Hi gang. what are the options for electric motorbikes at the moment? Realistic ones. the Zero sr/s (I think it is that), the faired one has enough range on it for my commutes. what are the competitors? I prefer the idea of a faired bike but doesn’t have to be. I don’t think I can buy one now but starting to think about it. we're at the same stage as we were 'back in the day' when people looked at Mobile phones and said: "They'll never catch on." The change will come when electric bikes become mainstream, when your local dealership has them on display. when you walk into any motorcycle dealership from any brand and they have them and are all fighting over who has the greatest range with the shortest possible recharge time and lightest weight. When a brand like Triumph (for example) has several on sale aimed at all the various market segments. we're not there yet.. but its coming. Unless events take over and we have a lot more to worry about than things like this. . Edited July 30, 2021 by Gerontious 3 Quote
James in Brum Posted July 30, 2021 Author Posted July 30, 2021 38 minutes ago, Six30 said: Why do you want an electric bike ? I use my bike 99% of the time for commuting. I love having my bike and it makes my commute better but I also think it would be good to shit on the planet a bit less. Quote
Six30 Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, James in Brum said: I use my bike 99% of the time for commuting. I love having my bike and it makes my commute better but I also think it would be good to shit on the planet a bit less. shouldn't you be getting a pushbike then... 2 Quote
Stu Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Six30 said: shouldn't you be getting a pushbike then... Give over! if he got a push bike he would then have to buy a van to put the bike and the push bike in 1 Quote
Six30 Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, Stu said: Give over! if he got a push bike he would then have to buy a van to put the bike and the push bike in getting any thing apart from a pushbike , horse and cart or walking he will be shitting on the planet ... and he should be getting rid of his tv kettle and the rest of his electrical appliances and go live in a cave . 1 1 Quote
Stu Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Six30 said: getting any thing apart from a pushbike , horse and cart or walking he will be shitting on the planet ... and he should be getting rid of his tv kettle and the rest of his electrical appliances and go live in a cave . A push bike is bad for the economy though! 1 Quote
Six30 Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Stu said: A push bike is bad for the economy though! why Quote
husoi Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 Once bikes can have a range of 150 miles I will replace the shadow with one of them. Unfortunately, touring on an e-bike is still out of the question. Quote
Stu Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Six30 said: why He does not buy the car and does not take a car loan and insurance. Does not buy fuel. Does not use the services of repair shops and car washes. Does not use paid parking. Does not become obese. They do not buy drugs. They do not go to doctors as much. They do not increase the country’s GDP Cycling is also a disaster for the environment. Cyclists tend to live a lot longer, and therefore consume resources longer Buy car and bikes simple 1 1 Quote
Silentbob83 Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 if it’s for a greener planet argument, isn’t there some kind of juxtaposition of heavily polluting mining equipment to get the materials used to make the batteries, the car building process and infrastructure development and the perceived saving of the planet? I’m not 100% on the process, but I have a vague memory of reading something on this a while ago. Quote
James in Brum Posted July 30, 2021 Author Posted July 30, 2021 I am happy for someone to show me that ICE is better. The distances I commute are not practical on a pushbike otherwise I would do it 1 Quote
Six30 Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stu said: He does not buy the car and does not take a car loan and insurance. Does not buy fuel. Does not use the services of repair shops and car washes. Does not use paid parking. Does not become obese. They do not buy drugs. They do not go to doctors as much. They do not increase the country’s GDP Cycling is also a disaster for the environment. Cyclists tend to live a lot longer, and therefore consume resources longer Buy car and bikes simple his concern is not shitting on the planet , the only clean way is a pushbike or walking ... he dont want to buy fuel .. he wants clean electricity , coal , nuclear ... Quote
James in Brum Posted July 30, 2021 Author Posted July 30, 2021 I want to shit less than I do that is all 1 Quote
Six30 Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, James in Brum said: I am happy for someone to show me that ICE is better. The distances I commute are not practical on a pushbike otherwise I would do it get up earlier could work, if you want to save the planet put some effort in 1 Quote
Stu Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Six30 said: his concern is not shitting on the planet , the only clean way is a pushbike or walking ... he dont want to buy fuel .. he wants clean electricity , coal , nuclear ... I know! You asked why I answered you Quote
fullscreenaging Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, James in Brum said: I want to shit less than I do that is all EV ownership is just moving the shitting one step away from yourself though. Your vehicle will still use conventional tyres so you’re still shitting on the planet. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/tires-unseen-plastic-polluter Quote
James in Brum Posted July 30, 2021 Author Posted July 30, 2021 It’s an easy poke isn’t it, if you are not totally saving the planet no f**king point. I think it is less bad to go EV. Can someone demonstrate other than with rhetoric that it is not less bad? Thanks Quote
bonio Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) It's a bit of a balanced thing. EV uses electricity from the grid, and electricity production in the UK pollutes (and is about to pour millions of tons of concrete over a marshy wilderness next to Britain's prime bird sanctuary in an AONB and SSI - but's that's another thing). Some people like to ease their consciences by getting a "green tariff" or buy from a "green producer", but it's all just marketeer's window-dressing on the bare fact that everyone who uses electricity from the grid does so at an average of around 1kg of CO2 for 5kWh (this was 2020, when the covid effect made our electricity a bit greener). The only way to improve on that is to use the electricity at times when you know the grid is running more green - but I don't how you can do that practically. So an EV still pollutes as it runs and, with the current generation mix, it pollutes a bit less its ICE equivalent. Until you take in manufacturing emissions, amortized over the lifetime of the vehicle (whatever the lifetime is for an EV) and at this point all bets are off: it's down to a matter of faith of whether you believe EV is less polluting than ICE or not, but I'm not sure anyone has any facts to offer. Until about four or five years ago, back when UK electricity was a lot less green, the balance was clearly weighted the other way: EV polluted more, mile for mile, than ICE - forget manufacture. Since then, improvements in generation and in EV design have started to swing things in favour of EV. I reckon it won't be that long before EV is clearly the better option. And as has been said, by then the major manufacturers will be putting out ranges of EV bikes as well as cars. Edited July 30, 2021 by bonio for typos Quote
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