Help with motorbike petition

[G robbo]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/707875/gathering-support

 

Please sign petition to raise the age that you can drive a 50cc on a car licence, thank you. 

[Tiggie]

 

Drive a 50cc? So like a go kart or ride-on lawnmower? 

 

Joking aside, no, that won't be anything I would sign, and honestly seems pointless.  You can ride a 50cc at 16 after doing a cbt. A 17 year old still has to do a cbt after passing their driving test before they can ride a scooter nowadays.

 

Or is what you are wanting a complete rise of the age someone can ride a bike? I don't agree with that either.

 

 

Now if you want to discuss proper licensing and regulations for the e-bikes that most kids and scrotes alike are whizzing about on doing pretty much 50cc speeds with no license, training or insurance then that is something I could get behind.

[Stu]

For what reason? 

[S-Westerly]

8 hours ago, G robbo said:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/707875/gathering-support

 

Please sign petition to raise the age that you can drive a 50cc on a car licence, thank you. 

Why? You can't have a car licence until you are 17 so why would you want to raise the age that someone can ride a 50cc moped? I'd support lowering it to 15.

[husoi]

I don't agree with that either.

Make a petition to include highway code and driving/riding in school curriculum and I'll sign it 

[daveinlim]

Don't electric bikes make any 50cc licence almost redundant. 

 

[RideWithStyles]

Dont think lowering it to 15 in the uk is a good idea- most UK lads are complete nobs heads (immature if your being kind) with attitude in regard, even before you hand them some wheels that can go at a speed when 16 let alone bigger ones at ages 17+.

if the cars/bikes Were capped for power and speeds with gps for young users to keep in check until 21 regardless - id maybe entertain the idea.

 

electric are converted into a scale that sort of makes it comparable to ice, real world application is very much different.

[G robbo]

Is isn't lowering the age, it's changing the year on the licence.. So it is currently the 1st of February 2001. My petition is to change that to the 1st of February 2011 so anyone who passed their test before that date could drive a 50cc without taking any tests. 

 

Hope that cleared that up.

Edited December 5, 2024 by G robbo

[Simon Davey]

50cc has to be the most dangerous sized engine, it's just too underpowered to keep up in city and urban traffic, let alone out of town.

I often see small bike/mopeds/scooters pootling along at 30Mph, huddling the curb-line to keep out of the way, this leaves the rider open to danger from impatient drivers who pass very closely.

If anything, I personally feel that 125cc should be the minimum, with of course a mandatory CBT in place.

The motorcycling demographic is older, but there are still lots of 125 riders on the roads, the problem from there forward is the immense cost of gaining a full license, this is what inhibits the 125 riders progression.

 

Perhaps @G robbo you should contact MAG (the Motorcycle Action Group).

Edited December 5, 2024 by Simon Davey

[G robbo]

How would I contact them?

 

Yeah I agree, personally I don't think a CBT should expire after 2 years either. 

[RideWithStyles]

Agree with SD, 50cc is ultra urban territory at best in the uk/ your into to Roman settlement area in Italy/main western world.

people get a hang up on the 125 moniker…it’s how you ride it not what you ride is my thought.

Till a few months ago I was still riding a m

8hp 125 along with my bike which ranged from 500- 950cc. Once you got calibrated and how to get the best out of it was a laugh and definitely keep drivers thinking “WTF” as you over took them on a small bike with L plates on that never grew old.

 

anyway back to the OP, rather than a straight date why not just give a age of person starting date? Save having to go through the whole bs later on (even if it got accepted as a petition it will take YEARS like minimum of 5 before they even introduce chatting about it let alone implementing it) but if it was me I’d be forward thinking of fitting in for EVs compliance than ice seeming as they’re going to be replaced in the near future….

Edited December 5, 2024 by RideWithStyles

[Simon Davey]

16 minutes ago, G robbo said:

How would I contact them?

 

 

 

https://mag-uk.org/motorcycle-action-group/motorcycle-action-group-how-to-contact-us/

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Simon Davey

[Tigs]

Does anyone know 'why' the CBT is only valid for 2 years. 

 

 

[Simon Davey]

1 hour ago, Tigs said:

Does anyone know 'why' the CBT is only valid for 2 years. 

 

 

 

To ensure that you either continue on to getting a full licence, or to stop altogether. 

Do you want the roads full of learners, or bikers? 

Edited December 8, 2024 by Simon Davey

[Tigs]

Actually I'd be happy with learners.. but I'd want to change the order

 

1 - Theory test with hazard test

 

2- CBT - only passed if you are safe on the road potentially combine this with most elements of Mod 1- cones - figure 8 - stopping (in all 3 ways). I'd remove the U turn - whilst it is a useful skill - it is not essential for riding IMO

 

At this point you can only ride up to 125.. as you have shown you are safe

 

3 - Mods - take 'higher bikes' u turn on the road - 

 

although I'm still not sold on the 'test' situation - some people really struggle with the pressure - and this is a snapshot - not ness indicative of how safe you are!

 

 

[bonio]

Before the CBT, you'd get a provisional licence, buy some L plates, and jump off on your 125 and ride. The CBT was introduced so you could acquire a few much-needed survival skills before you went out on the road on your own. It's meant to be the first step towards passing your test, and 2 years was thought to be a generous amount of time to achieve this.

 

I like the idea of making people take their theory before CBT; too many come to do CBT without a clue what the basic traffic rules are. But the level of riding on the road you have to demonstrate to pass your CBT is very basic. To pass your mod 2, you need to prove you can ride more methodically, and you need to show you can handle a variety of more complex road layouts and traffic situations. You need these skills on a 125 just as much as you do on a 650.

 

I can see an argument for reducing what's expected at mod 1, though - perhaps having just a U turn (or some other simple slow riding skill) an emergency stop and some manual handling - in which case it could be rolled together into mod 2 and become a single test.  

Edited December 8, 2024 by bonio

[RideWithStyles]

Sorry but I think the cbt is too rushed and lax.

it’s not school of sat at a desk where if your shite you get grades slightly lower oh well on to college…it’s very likly your body will be on the slab of a medical student poking at your groin if you fook up badly.

its still essential if you can’t do it and either ride into a curb or parked car and crash, if you on the road it’s still a skill needed if your a scooter or a cruiser.

a cbt is already at 125 so I dont see the reason of your change.

 

the reason for two separate is when could a learner and examiner could do it safety and consistent in the real and public world? (so fair for the on the noob as 1 example ) and so its not all rammed into one whole day? To be honest I didn’t think much of the two mods a say but really unless you have those old joke tests in the 60-70’s or east Euro places for example to degrade the std we are at now its difficult to gets round….

[Capt Sisko]

On 08/12/2024 at 19:15, Tigs said:

Does anyone know 'why' the CBT is only valid for 2 years.

Prior to the original two part test (1981) you could send off for your provisional licence by post, put L Plates on your bike and ride like that forever. No training and as long as you were happy with a 250 (as it was then) and didn't need to ride on motorways or take a pillion that was it. Tens of thousands of teenagers exactly that every year and accident rate was horrible. The two part test was introduced partially to reduce those bad accident stats by 1/ Introducing a basic wobble & weave test to prove you had the very minimum of riding skills. 2/ To encourage riders to take training, if you didn't pass your test (either car or bike) within 2yrs you were banned from riding for a year. Not unsuprisingly, they same rules didn't apply to new car drivers.

 

That whole system got revised again, then again a few years later and whist the same rules still don't apply to car drivers, the Government are keeping to the original Two Part test idea in that they want you to take training. In the eyes of the authorities you've never proved you can ride to the full test standard and therefore are a danger to yourself and others. That's why you need to retake your CBT every two years. Pass the main driving test & prove it and the problem goes away.

Edited December 11, 2024 by Capt Sisko

[S-Westerly]

I was one of those with a 250 and not a clue as to what I was doing. Bought my first bike in London and rode it home to Ainsdale on a damp November night without ever having ridden a bike before other than as a pillion. No GPS either. I did fall off once and how I made it home alive I have no idea.

 

[Capt Sisko]

2 hours ago, S-Westerly said:

I was one of those with a 250 and not a clue as to what I was doing

Me as well, though goodness knows how anyone failed their test back then, it was ridiculously easy.

Edited December 11, 2024 by Capt Sisko

[RideWithStyles]

I’m too young to have been through the joke tests but have heard it many times, i went through the modern way.

 Funny thing is they say it was dangerous back then but when you explain to that same seasoned generation of what you have to do nowadays to pass a test they say parts of it is dangerous and pointless then get completely confused on what to do…

[rob m]

I took mine in 1996, by then it was the CBT then part 2. I did mine on a Honda CG125, what a machine. I’d commuted for years into London before that on L plates, so wasn’t a real beginner.
 

It was a 5 day course, ending with the Part 2 on day 5. Personally I thought it was very well structured and I learnt so many skills that I use to this day. I was lucky I suppose, my instructor for the week was as an ex-police motorcyclist, top bloke.

 

Different times though. Most of the lads who I was training with wanted either a sports bike or a Harley. I had a GSXR 750 waiting for me at home after I passed. Steep learning curve.

[Davidtav]

Took my test in 1995. I had commuted into London for a while so like a previous poster not a complete novice. I’ve told this story before but will tell it again … so I was teaching in a comprehensive in Camden at the time. And had to take a morning off for the test. Another teacher told the kids what I was doing (nob lol) and of course I failed. I hadn’t had any training and probably did stuff wrong. Turning up at school again with L plates still caused some merriment to 15 year old boys lol … anyway a couple of months later I passed. This time I booked an hours lesson immediately before the test

[Mawsley]

On 05/12/2024 at 14:46, G robbo said:

How would I contact them?

 

Yeah I agree, personally I don't think a CBT should expire after 2 years either. 

You can try Google?

 

But since Liversidge treated it as his personal fiefdom loads of members left. Then he was eased out. Then he returned and most of those members remaining also left. MAG is a husk of the organisation it used to be.

 

If you are going to contact anyone then the BMF is your only realistic option now…but they’d never support something like this.

[Simon Davey]

1 hour ago, Mawsley said:

 

 

But since Liversidge treated it as his personal fiefdom loads of members left. Then he was eased out. Then he returned and most of those members remaining also left. MAG is a husk of the organisation it used to be.

 

 

Thank goodness membership isn't mega-bucks, I joined and realised the above when I read through the magazine.