Modern stuff

[Stu]

2 hours ago, bud said:

Are you like my mates mum? She has them stored in her phone.  Mr Chip, and Mr Pin. 

You would have to be a rocket scientist to figure out her crafty plan.

 

No! 

 

I have different bits........ 

[S-Westerly]

I've got various bits in my phone but the numbers would be meaningless to anyone else. More often than not they are meaningless to me too!

[Fiddlesticks]

Password safe is a nice little app. You can copy the database file from the PC too.

[RideWithStyles]

If you have the face recognition it’s a bit more secure again.

[Blackholesun]

On 06/11/2024 at 20:56, bud said:

What a nice guy.

It sounds like the garage owner is a bit of an arse.

Normally they allow you to come back after filling a form in and it's usually a civil offence but I'd imagine the cashier has been caught out before and the karnts at shell or BP or whoever have deducted it from the poor persons wages 

[Mawsley]

4 hours ago, Blackholesun said:

Normally they allow you to come back after filling a form in and it's usually a civil offence but I'd imagine the cashier has been caught out before and the karnts at shell or BP or whoever have deducted it from the poor persons wages 

 

It's bloke's garage, and it was his wife. No form was ever offered, he told me my only alternative was to ride off.

 

[Fiddlesticks]

Have started seeing notices at petrol stations with "fuel must be paid for", plus small print - I guess similar to private car parks threatening fines if not. The idea being you are assumed to agree to the terms of the contract as soon as you start to fill up.

[husoi]

Years ago, back in Lisbon, I was told at a petrol station that I needed to take the helmet out before being allowed to fill up or pay before filling up.

I got on the bike and went off.

Next day took the car and fill it up and drove away without paying.

Went back half hour later, on the bike to pay for the petrol I had put in the car.

 

The guy wasn't impressed when I told him that just because I drive a car doesn't mean I won't drive away.

[bud]

A guy at work got a fine for driving off without paying for petrol a couple of years ago. I wouldn't even think it was his fault.

He filled the car up, got a coffee and some snacks. Then went to the counter. Said the pump number, and paid by contactless  payment. Then received a fine through the post.

It turns out he only paid for the coffee, and snacks.

Surely more of an error by the cashier. But what can you do?

[Tiggie]

I'm assuming different places have different policies. I spent too long working at one about a dozen years ago or so. It would depend on customer. If it was someone I recognised as a regular I'd let him pay next time he came in. For others there would be a form to fill in and we'd take a photocopy of I.D. if possible, think it was 7 days then was reported to police. 

 

Funny story.  Once had a guy get back in his car after filling up and drive off, looking back on camera it seemed likely he had got distracted talking to person on the next pump and simply forgot about paying. Nethertheless we had to report it to the police. An officer came around to have a look at the cctv and when viewing it he literally said " holy shit" out loud and got on his radio. Two more turned up shortly after to watch it as well.  Turned out it was their Chief Inspector 

[Blackholesun]

Wonder if we will ever adopt how other countries do it and pay upfront for what you use 

[JRH]

3 hours ago, Blackholesun said:

Wonder if we will ever adopt how other countries do it and pay upfront for what you use 

Many years ago there was one in West Bromwich near the football ground which, in the evening and night,  was pre pay and was fitted with heavy duty bars on the door and pay window. Has to use it a couple of  times on the bike and was never too happy.

 

[S-Westerly]

I just use credit cards and pay at pump. Makes it all very simple although it presumes you do know your card details.

[Davidtav]

This thread is reminding me of an incident about a year ago. At a busy petrol station in Glasgow. I filled up the bike and went in to pay. And I gave them the pump number. Which the cashier questioned. So I checked it. Yes I had given the correct pump number.  Now it turned out that another biker had filled up around the same time as me. They had charged him for my petrol by mistake. The assistant had obviously just glanced out the window. Saw my bike. And charged him my amount. By this time he had left the premises.  So basically the staff started saying to me that I would have to pay for his fuel.  I was saying that is your problem you charged him incorrectly. You need to charge me the right amount. And they were saying we have no facility to do that etc. and if you just leave we will treat it as a drive off … it was all starting to take up a lot of time. And I realised that the other guys bill was actually cheaper than mine. So I reluctantly agreed to pay the other guys fuel.  … I wasn’t happy about the whole experience actually and I haven’t been back to that garage.

[husoi]

I would go back all the time and when paying would comment if they were mistaken and confused you with the owner of the largest vehicle in the court

They would ask me to not go back.

[Bender]

On 09/11/2024 at 14:23, S-Westerly said:

I just use credit cards and pay at pump. Makes it all very simple although it presumes you do know your card details.

More places now put a hold on £100.00 till transaction is cleared, if your on a budget and only putting a small amount in that kinda screws you, I'm ok as I'm sure are you but I've not always been ok and plenty of folk could be in same boat.

 

I just fill my van every week, I would be over the moon if it was under the £100.00

[S-Westerly]

9 hours ago, Bender said:

More places now put a hold on £100.00 till transaction is cleared, if your on a budget and only putting a small amount in that kinda screws you, I'm ok as I'm sure are you but I've not always been ok and plenty of folk could be in same boat.

 

I just fill my van every week, I would be over the moon if it was under the £100.00

Yeah your right. Hence the "you can take £99.00" message. There's been times in the past where that would have hurt. 

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

On 09/11/2024 at 10:47, Blackholesun said:

Wonder if we will ever adopt how other countries do it and pay upfront for what you use 

I hope not. I always just fill the tank so I have no idea what the bill will be until I've finished. It would make topping up the Bobber impossible and since it only holds 2 gallons I need to fill it to the brim. 

 

 

[Simon Davey]

1 minute ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

I hope not. I always just fill the tank so I have no idea what the bill will be until I've finished. It would make topping up the Bobber impossible and since it only holds 2 gallons I need to fill it to the brim. 

 

 

 

I'd imagine that the options would disappear to just leave a pay at the pump service. They take your card number, and just charge for what you've had. 

 

[S-Westerly]

13 minutes ago, Simon Davey said:

 

I'd imagine that the options would disappear to just leave a pay at the pump service. They take your card number, and just charge for what you've had. 

 

Around here all the Asda petrol stations are pay at pump only. But as Bender says they take a £99.00 spend initially which for some folks could be problematic. 

[RideWithStyles]

1 hour ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

I hope not. I always just fill the tank so I have no idea what the bill will be until I've finished. It would make topping up the Bobber impossible and since it only holds 2 gallons I need to fill it to the brim. 

 

 

Agree that system for your bike is really going to make you hate it.
 

so say shite I think I need 16 ltrs because it’s almost dry but you have a Yamaha so the gauge and tank size is weird so you ask for 16 ltrs, only to fine it’s managed 13ltrs? wtf!!! So do you except that you’ve lost say £just over £4 and the petrol station earned a chunk for free or do you then go back to the cashier, wait in the queue yet again to ask for a return on the card? While everyone behind is either asking for fuel or asking for a refund just like you? But of course the refund might not be instant, you might wait for days for it to clear. I’d also think it wouldn’t be as cost effective for the station other than if they got your free money. WAFBA that doesn’t need to be.

Well thats not progress or fast and the foolery of money going or not going places, EV charging could look more tempting for more people if it goes that slow and faffing.

[onesea]

On 13/11/2024 at 07:13, S-Westerly said:

Yeah your right. Hence the "you can take £99.00" message. There's been times in the past where that would have hurt. 

Even now if there is delay clearing, go for long 3 Day bank holiday weekend ride.  Top up Friday fill Saturday am and afternoon, same on Sunday and bank holiday Monday.

If they transactions not cleared until first working day, that could be £400-600.

Edited November 14, 2024 by onesea

[Yorky]

Surely, with today's technology, there is no need to hold the "bond" any longer than the pump is running.

[Punts]

2 hours ago, Yorky said:

Surely, with today's technology, there is no need to hold the "bond" any longer than the pump is running.

 

That's how it works. The system checks you have £99 in your account and allows you to take up to £99's worth of fuel. 

If you only take £18's worth, that's all you are charged with. The next time you need fuel, the system checks again that you have £99 in your account.

Your account will only be £18 lower, not £99.

I know these are all "pending" transactions, but will always show up as the amount you have taken, not £99, £99.

The "bond" only lasts until you put the nozzle back into the pump, not until it clears your account.

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

The last time I used a pay at the pump it took £100 out of the account, I put about £45 of petrol in. It was a bank holiday and took 5 days for the balance to be credited back to my account.

 

That was a few years ago and I've never used one since.