Doing my bit for the environment.

[Trooper74]

Skoda Octavia 1226 kg

Tesla type 3      1846 kg ...

 

Your right, not twice as heavy ...

 

My friend Derek has a near 30 year old Volvo 740 .... thats got to more carbon neutral per mile driven than any electric car ?? 

Answers on a postcard ...

Edited April 9, 2022 by Trooper74

[Bender]

2 hours ago, Trooper74 said:

Skoda Octavia 1226 kg

Tesla type 3      1846 kg ...

 

Your right, not twice as heavy ...

 

My friend Derek has a near 30 year old Volvo 740 .... thats got to more carbon neutral per mile driven than any electric car ?? 

Answers on a postcard ...

Yup when they ban ice engine cars from city's and increasingly suburbs it won't be much use, ice is dead as it is. 

 

Comparing old relics to any modern car is pointless it's continuing to burn fosil fuels, the batteries in the cheaper model 3 use iron lithium cathode and they are looking to increase the use of iron as there is plenty of it. 

 

Tesl also make an over engineered main structure which adds safety at the cost of weight, there are much lighter ev's and they are not something you would want to be in an accident in  

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

Yeah but Tesla drivers are nobs so you wouldn't want to be seen in one. 

[billy sugger]

Surely there is not enough infrastructure for EV use yet? Near me the council has fitted charging stations at the end of a side road, in an area clearly marked for EVs only, but guess what are parked there, taking all the space, yes, ICEs

[Bender]

1 hour ago, billy sugger said:

Surely there is not enough infrastructure for EV use yet? Near me the council has fitted charging stations at the end of a side road, in an area clearly marked for EVs only, but guess what are parked there, taking all the space, yes, ICEs

Nope no where near enough, yet, be interesting to see how that goes. 

[Steve_M]

20 minutes ago, Bender said:

Nop no where near enough, yet, be interesting to see how that goes. 

Agree. The government, apparently, has plans* …

 

BBC article

 

* no rude political comments please. 

[S-Westerly]

3 hours ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

Yeah but Tesla drivers are nobs so you wouldn't want to be seen in one. 

Hoi! My son has a Tesla company car and he isn't a nob. Occasionally annoying yes but nob not.

[rennie]

I recently watched a video of an EV on fire and what they had to do with the battery to put the fire out.

I won't be buying one until I have no other choice

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

23 minutes ago, rennie said:

I recently watched a video of an EV on fire and what they had to do with the battery to put the fire out.

I won't be buying one until I have no other choice

I used to use lithium cells in model aircraft. After a crash the fire risk was significant, often delayed as the cells failed slowly. I wonder how EVs will cope in road accidents?

[Bender]

28 minutes ago, rennie said:

I recently watched a video of an EV on fire and what they had to do with the battery to put the fire out.

I won't be buying one until I have no other choice

It's a chemical fire almost impossible to put out, wouldn't put me off, if you think that's unsafe you may want to reconsider motorbikes  

[MikeHorton]

Fire servi e are quite good at dealing with ev fires. I think their call takers even ask if it's an ev in car fire calls

[Bender]

54 minutes ago, MikeHorton said:

Fire servi e are quite good at dealing with ev fires. I think their call takers even ask if it's an ev in car fire calls

Smother them,  preferably with non believers 

 

Google

 

Putting out the fire

The obvious choice seems to be to extinguish the fire, however many EV manufacturers actually advise for a controlled burn. This is where the fire services allow the vehicle to burn out while they focus on protecting the surrounding area.

 

 

[Stu]

This was at Silverstone 11 years ago 

 

They was all waiting to go out from the paddock and it started smoking 

 

The fire brigade came and dowsed it in water  

 

The batteries where magnesium 

 

Water and magnesium meant that there was batteries flying 30 foot in the air

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

3 hours ago, Bender said:

Smother them,  preferably with non believers 

 

Google

 

Putting out the fire

The obvious choice seems to be to extinguish the fire, however many EV manufacturers actually advise for a controlled burn. This is where the fire services allow the vehicle to burn out while they focus on protecting the surrounding area.

 

 

Does a controlled burn mean the fire brigade stand round the fire with sausages on long sticks?

[MikeHorton]

31 minutes ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

Does a controlled burn mean the fire brigade stand round the fire with sausages on long sticks?

Only plug in hybrid vegan sausages 

[Mr Fro]

12 hours ago, Trooper74 said:

I'm confused ..... so after reposting a section of my post you still haven’t read it ... you do know what a statement is i suppose.

Yes thanks, I read what you posted.

 

I acknowledged that the statement that you made was contrary readily available information.

 

I can understand how that would confuse you.

 

In other news, total EV is not currently a workable solution to mass transportation needs. Relatively inexpensive hybrid can be more efficient in terms of CO2 production and distance travelled per unit energy than EV so "we" really should pursue that avenue rather than following the EV trend.

[Stu]

53 minutes ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

Does a controlled burn mean the fire brigade stand round the fire with sausages on long sticks?

 

Don't be bloody stupid!! 

 

Who in the right mind would do that? 

 

 

Everyone knows that sticks would burn and you have to use metal skewers  

[Bender]

1 hour ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

Does a controlled burn mean the fire brigade stand round the fire with sausages on long sticks?

Yup  

[Bender]

30 minutes ago, Stu said:

 

Don't be bloody stupid!! 

 

Who in the right mind would do that? 

 

 

Everyone knows that sticks would burn and you have to use metal skewers  

Metal transfers heat  

[Stu]

Just now, Bender said:

Metal transfers heat  

 

They are firemen! they will have gloves

 

Stop taking it out of context to start a fight

 

 

[Bender]

2 minutes ago, Stu said:

 

They are firemen! they will have gloves

 

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If they are fire men they won't need a fire to cook their sausages on surely they will be hot enough to cook their own sausages? 

 

Any who I'm off to your other thread to se if I can see your new end can that's probably not even a can, probably contains no lime or coke or recycled iron so is not technically able to be described as a can, probably can't even see it for the bike logo  

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

8 hours ago, Stu said:

 

Don't be bloody stupid!! 

 

Who in the right mind would do that? 

 

 

Everyone knows that sticks would burn and you have to use metal skewers  

I have cooked sausages on sticks many times and it is much easier than using metal skewers. Firstly sticks don't transmit the heat and secondly the sausages stay on the stick whereas they slide off metal skewers.

 

You don't put the sausages into the flames or they burst. You hold them at a suitable distance where they cook nicely. 

 

Green willow sticks work well as they don't burn easily and willow is a public menace so the more of it used for cooking sausages the better.

 

I was disappointed to see the marshall's around Max Verstappen's car not making good use of the fire by grilling a few Roo steaks. This is a waste of a good fire which couldn't have happened to a nicer chap. 

[S-Westerly]

Surely if you are cooking sausages the whole point is to transfer heat? Take a bloody long time otherwise. 

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

3 minutes ago, S-Westerly said:

Surely if you are cooking sausages the whole point is to transfer heat? Take a bloody long time otherwise. 

You need to get the beer to sausage ratio absolutely correct. If the sossie is too close to the fire it will overheat which leads to it bursting or being burnt on the outside but raw in the middle. This is not good and may lead to a nasty case of a rapid dash into the bushes with handfuls of soft green leafs.

 

You ideally want the sossie to cook in the time it takes to leisurely sip a bottle of Jennings Sneck Lifter. One beer per sossie tends to be a good rule of thumb for ensuring the sossie is cooked to perfection. 

 

If you follow this rule it also means that by the end of the evening you don't have a problem finding fluid with which to ensure the fire is safely extinguished. 

[Bender]

Yup, sticks all the way