geofferz Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just now, Stu 6 minutes ago, geofferz said: Anyway personally I don't bother looking at the torque figure - it's bollocks. I rode a Harley with loads of torque but super low revs so tiny bhp. It was horrifically slow - I couldn't appreciate any of its torquey goodness, it was slow in every gear at every rpm. Bhp matters. Torque is not bollocks! You ride on torque you race on bhp A Harley is not a good comparison to be honest but then it depends on the Harley too Get the right bikes to compare and you can tell the difference The TL I had would stomp out of corners leaving all sorts of bikes but get in to the higher revs you would get reigned in You can't ride on torque! Because you need revs. Which means bhp. Name 2 comparative bikes where the torquey one would beat the higher bhp one anywhere on the street or track?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geofferz Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just now, Mississippi Bullfrog 4 minutes ago, geofferz said: Anyway personally I don't bother looking at the torque figure - it's bollocks. I rode a Harley with loads of torque but super low revs so tiny bhp. It was horrifically slow - I couldn't appreciate any of its torquey goodness, it was slow in every gear at every rpm. Bhp matters. You haven't ridden the Triumph 1200 twin. Loads of low end grunt but a relatively small bhp figure. But for passing lines of traffic on A roads the grin factor is huge. The downside is that accidentally twitch the throttle on a greasy roundabout and it gets very very interesting very very quickly. The power range is at a very usable 3000+ which makes instant acceleration in traffic a rather wonderful thing. The unwary BMW/Audi driver hears it coming, assumes it something like a Harley, thinks they won't get passed. They are wrong. I have actually, I thought it was slow but I'm used to riding superbikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, geofferz said: You can't ride on torque! Because you need revs. Which means bhp. Name 2 comparative bikes where the torquey one would beat the higher bhp one anywhere on the street or track?! You are missing the point! without one you don't have the other you ride on torque as that's the band of power you use all day long you race on bhp as you are constantly high in the revs I never said a torquey bike would beat a higher bhp bike on the street or track there is way too many variables to take in to consideration! Tight twisty roads are best on a bike with low down torque as you can pull harder from the apex than you can with a bike with lower torque but higher bhp the higher bhp will eventually take over but by then you are slowing down for the corner the Torquey motor would get you to a higher speed quicker than the lower torque bike! A mate of mine used to have a gsxr 750 SRAD 128bhp at the crank 59 ft-lb or torque At the same time I have the TL1000s 125 bhp at the crank 76 ft-lb of torque Both same year bikes too I would always pull away from him but it was never enough to leave him in a trail of dust it was just enough to get away a good 20 - 30 metres he could never real me in nor could I never leave him similar bhp yet different torque by the way getting on a V twin and riding it like a sports bike will never work you have to take time to learn where the power curves are and shift earlier you don't ride them in the higher revs like a sports bike you keep them lower It took me ages to learn the TL I was constantly hitting the rev limiter and felt like it was never moving till you look down and you're doing 140 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Swagman Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Think I’ll stick with my Fazer and just keep plodding along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRH Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, geofferz said: You can't ride on torque! Because you need revs. Which means bhp. Name 2 comparative bikes where the torquey one would beat the higher bhp one anywhere on the street or track?! Without torque you will go nowhere, period. torque gets you there, BHP keeps you going. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, JRH said: Without torque you will go nowhere, period. torque gets you there, BHP keeps you going. Thats a short version of what I was trying to say 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I don't know what's not to get, don't make me fetch dobbin back out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggie Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 This is just like the old days on here, anyone fancy starting a counter steering thread? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiggie said: This is just like the old days on here, anyone fancy starting a counter steering thread? Don't torque about counter steering there is no such thing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggie Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 There is but only if you use super unleaded rather than bog standard stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onesea Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, JRH said: Without torque you will go nowhere, period. torque gets you there, BHP keeps you going. So putting this back to horses both bellow are 1 Hp: Race horse: High Speed - Low weight pulling capacity - Low stamina - relatively light weight. Could be thought of as Low Torque high speed and acceleration. Cart Horse: Low Speed - High weight pulling capacity - High Stamina - relatively heavy weight. Could be thought of as High Torque Low Speed and acceleration. I am sure there are more types of horse out there as there are bikes... Comparing a Harley and sports bike is like comparing the above. horses for courses? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, onesea said: So putting this back to horses both bellow are 1 Hp: Race horse: High Speed - Low weight pulling capacity - Low stamina - relatively light weight. Could be thought of as Low Torque high speed and acceleration. Cart Horse: Low Speed - High weight pulling capacity - High Stamina - relatively heavy weight. Could be thought of as High Torque Low Speed and acceleration. I am sure there are more types of horse out there as there are bikes... Comparing a Harley and sports bike is like comparing the above. horses for courses? Don't forget the most important horse of all, the draught horse, shire horses have held records for being the biggest, which is very important where beer delivery is concerned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) I'm not bothered anymore . I have to say that really because I've just lost 100 hp and gained 100 cc . Still got the same castle though . ( And colour scheme , and bag ....) Edited November 27, 2020 by fastbob 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 And as a footnote , when this thing's on the road I'll be dropping a whopping 700 cc's but only 10 hp . It's a funny old world isn't it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Bender said: Haha ok I concede AlthoughSpanish, Italian, German and Danish studs were used and later studs from the orient. And Lipizzaner is the Italian name I'm jus waffling to cover my tracks I don't know what dobbin is in Slovenian, mind you I don't know what it is in Italian either Not that I know something more, I am just born near there in Croatia, 40 min from Lipica and remember going horse riding with my parents . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 at my time of life i dont need hyper sports bikes i just need plodder's that get me from a to b sometime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Big bikes with lot of torque and hp’s are for us with small winners 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geofferz Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 14 hours ago, Marino said: Big bikes with lot of torque and hp’s are for us with small winners Weiners? Yes, correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, geofferz said: Weiners? Yes, correct. I could not write wieners, so it’s winners ( my keyboard is politically correct) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynax Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Marino said: I could not write wieners, so it’s winners ( my keyboard is politically correct) Keep it simple and say " knobs " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 what I come with after turning off my polite keyboard phallus dick (taboo, slang) prick (taboo, slang) member tool (taboo, slang) organ cock (taboo, slang) wang (US, slang) knob (British, taboo, slang) chopper (British, slang) plonker (slang) dong (slang) winkle (British, slang) joystick (slang) pecker (US, Canadian, taboo, slang) John Thomas (taboo, slang) weenie (US, slang) whang (US, slang) tadger (British, slang) schlong (US, slang) pizzle (archaic, dialect) willie or willy (British, informal) tockley (Australian, slang) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 For years I believed that Croatian language is champion in swearing and bad, rude words. But checking on English, I am amazed how many synonyms just for small piece of extra skin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Marino said: what I come with after turning off my polite keyboard phallus dick (taboo, slang) prick (taboo, slang) member tool (taboo, slang) organ cock (taboo, slang) wang (US, slang) knob (British, taboo, slang) chopper (British, slang) plonker (slang) dong (slang) winkle (British, slang) joystick (slang) pecker (US, Canadian, taboo, slang) John Thomas (taboo, slang) weenie (US, slang) whang (US, slang) tadger (British, slang) schlong (US, slang) pizzle (archaic, dialect) willie or willy (British, informal) tockley (Australian, slang) Intentional Pun or not Edited November 28, 2020 by TimR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, TimR said: Intentional Pun or not at least someone is reading carefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mississippi Bullfrog Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Marino said: For years I believed that Croatian language is champion in swearing and bad, rude words. But checking on English, I am amazed how many synonyms just for small piece of extra skin Greek is pretty impressive as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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