Fiddlesticks Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 As I usually leave the bike in gear, I tend to cut the engine by kicking the side stand down. Simple question - can anyone see a problem with this approach? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) Always done that, never been an issue, and you know your side stand kill switch is still working. Edited February 18 by Vic101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerontious Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 it can be a positive as it keeps the switch moving. I cycle through all the 3 methods as Ive seen people having issues with Africa Twins where the emergency stop button in particular becomes faulty and the bike refuses to start. in most cases the owner stated that they had never used this button before. it was an easy fix with contact cleaner. but a pain in the neck nonetheless. so, using these various methods in cycle might be seen as a preventative measure. its certainly not going to cause any harm. The only thing I do and this is particular to my bike and its odd gear system is I always put the bike in neutral before turning it off. whichever method is used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mississippi Bullfrog Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 As our drive is on a slope I should do this when getting back home as the CBF goes into the garage facing down the slope. It would have saved it falling on top of me as I got off it a few week ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideWithStyles Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 never done it that way intently to turn off a bike but still no difference either way in terms of harming it, leaving it in gear is good too. my bike is oldschool so i just still use a stabby key to start and stop it as that is what it was designed for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith1200rs Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Always, unless I am planning to put it on the centrestand instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Never deliberately. Generally I stop the bike with the kill switch. Never by turning the key and occasionally when I put the side stand down when still in gear. If I put the stand down and the engine is running in neutral it won't stop the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Sisko Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I guess this depends on how robust you feel your side stand cut out switch is. If the internet isn't full of known problems, then it'd probably be okay. If in doubt I'd tend to use the switch designed for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith1200rs Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Capt Sisko said: I guess this depends on how robust you feel your side stand cut out switch is. If the internet isn't full of known problems, then it'd probably be okay. If in doubt I'd tend to use the switch designed for the job. I've never heard of any problems and have been doing it that way since 1976. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Sisko Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 13 minutes ago, keith1200rs said: I've never heard of any problems and have been doing it that way since 1976. I don't recall any bikes having side stand cut outs in the 70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe85 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe85 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Capt Sisko said: I guess this depends on how robust you feel your side stand cut out switch is. If the internet isn't full of known problems, then it'd probably be okay. If in doubt I'd tend to use the switch designed for the job. They're all designed to do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe85 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 23 hours ago, Fiddlesticks said: As I usually leave the bike in gear, I tend to cut the engine by kicking the side stand down. Simple question - can anyone see a problem with this approach? No. You're fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Do so if you must . Personally I like to announce my arrival by a good blip of the throttle while simultaneously flicking the kill switch . Then again , I don't think there is a side stand switch on my Harley . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husoi Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 In theory the engine should be stop using the ignition key. This because the stand switch isn't manufactured to withstand frequent abrupt cut of current at the ignition system. That switch, similar to the neutral and clutch switch are meant to be used as warning/prevention to start the bike if the bike is in gear or the stand is extended. When opening a live circuit there is a release of a small spark while the 2 contacts are close enough (microns) to allow the current to cross the air. This little spark will damage the contacts in time, it could be a very long time however, it will happen. On the other hand, the ignition switch (when properly manufactured) is designed to reduce the spark occurrence and is designed to endure a larger number of operations. This is all theoretical and it would take thousands of operations to make a difference. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 My bike is started with a button / rocker switch and stopped with the same one. Turning the key only allows electric power to everything. You can stop the engine using the key but it is not recommended. Bit like turning off a pc by pulling the plug. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiddlesticks Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 34 minutes ago, husoi said: In theory the engine should be stop using the ignition key. This because the stand switch isn't manufactured to withstand frequent abrupt cut of current at the ignition system. That switch, similar to the neutral and clutch switch are meant to be used as warning/prevention to start the bike if the bike is in gear or the stand is extended. When opening a live circuit there is a release of a small spark while the 2 contacts are close enough (microns) to allow the current to cross the air. This little spark will damage the contacts in time, it could be a very long time however, it will happen. On the other hand, the ignition switch (when properly manufactured) is designed to reduce the spark occurrence and is designed to endure a larger number of operations. This is all theoretical and it would take thousands of operations to make a difference. Interesting stuff, thanks. You often hear about "best practice" but not always the reason behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideWithStyles Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 well for my bike the ignition switch is the safest, with a direct route and a big fuse. going any other route (kill switch and side stand) has to go through at least one relay, and extra fuse and the ignition anyway. the manual still says use the ignition and the other two routes are for safety / emergency reasons. so what does this say? not one sole way is correct for everyone, stop it the way it was designed and the manual asks not just the way your use to or fancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe85 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I’ll make a habit of using the side stand kill switch from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackholesun Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Can’t start mine with the side stand down anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe85 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Used it twice today to turn off the bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 The sidestand switch is operated every time you use the side stand and it has a permanent live feed The clutch switch is also operated every time you use the clutch and has a permanent live feed The gear position sensor is also operated with every gear change and also has a permanent live feed and on a lot of bikes it also has a built in resistor to alter the voltage so the ecu know what gear its in These lot work together for safety cut out so you don't set off with the side stand down They may wear out eventually but this would be through normal use and not by using it to stop the engine The emergency stop on the bars was made just for that purpose and should be used just for that! I have known failures due to overuse but saying that a lot of manufacturers are now using it as a start stop switch and are building them more robust I do stop mine with the side stand at times but not all the time it just depends how I feel at the time! Knock yourself out using it as it won't cause any damage to any of the associated components 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggie Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 If you go for a ride out with the right kind of people you'll soon find if your kill switch or side stand switch are working when you pull up at a red light 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleck Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 My bike is a Honda . All systems are robust and will be built to last. Having said that every electrical switch ever manufactured will have a finite number of operations, probably a bit less when used live but do you isolate your house power before turning a light switch on? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiddlesticks Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 9 minutes ago, Fleck said: My bike is a Honda . All systems are robust and will be built to last. Having said that every electrical switch ever manufactured will have a finite number of operations, probably a bit less when used live but do you isolate your house power before turning a light switch on? I don't even isolate my house power before changing out light fittings. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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