Marino Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 I like Saudi Arabia stile, cutting off hands for stealing, cutting off heads for murder. it is bit on the hard side but it works. let’s be serious if punishment for crime is effective than crime will disappear or go to minimum. otherwise Wild West everyone is judge and juri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Slowlycatchymonkey said: Of 190 ranked countries in the world the UK is 20th for sending people to prison, just a smidge under Costa Rica. We like sending people to prison, we do it a lot and are world renowned for it. We’re also known for the inhuman living conditions inside our prisons, recently a judge in the Netherlands refused to extradite a drug smuggler to the UK because our prisons are “inhumane and degrading” so don’t worry on the world stage we’re doing pretty well on the knee jerk retribution front. There you go, just a little something to get all you hang ‘em and flog ‘em brigade foaming at the mouth. Your welcome Interested to know what your source for the UK prison rate is as the attached link shows a rather different statistic? Not saying mine is right but lies, damned lies and statistics springs to mind! https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonio Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 I think the error has come from a misreading of this chart, showing prison population per 100,000, from statista.com: which puts Anguilla in 20th place and adds (United Kingdom) as it's a UK colony. This chart was for June 2020. The UK reported 79865 prisoners in June 2020 (down from 84000 in pre-covid February*) which equates to an estimated 118 per 100,000. *https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/prison-population-figures-2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, bonio said: I think the error has come from a misreading of this chart, showing prison population per 100,000, from statista.com: which puts Anguilla in 20th place and adds (United Kingdom) as it's a UK colony. This chart was for June 2020. The UK reported 79865 prisoners in June 2020 (down from 84000 in pre-covid February*) which equates to an estimated 118 per 100,000. *https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/prison-population-figures-2020 I'd noticed that and had wondered. Anguilla has a miniscule population (15,003) so its actually amazing they have a prison at all. Edited December 19, 2020 by S-Westerly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 I would happily go with 3 strikes rule and then life without parole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Oops Made the mistake of asking my husband if he could remember the stats, it didn’t cross my mind it was wrong. This is what I was thinking of - We are the worse in Europe Here’s the article link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn1page1.stm He made have done that on purpose .... he finds it highly amusing if he can get me to believe something that’s not true. Its extra points if the dupe repeats it to someone else so he’ll be pleased with that one He once had me believing Josie Jump from Balamory (a children’s tv programme) is a porn star, he let me believe that one for over a year Excuse me I have to go n get laughed at... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Slowlycatchymonkey said: Oops Made the mistake of asking my husband if he could remember the stats, it didn’t cross my mind it was wrong. This is what I was thinking of - We are the worse in Europe Here’s the article link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn1page1.stm He made have done that on purpose .... he finds it highly amusing if he can get me to believe something that’s not true. Its extra points if the dupe repeats it to someone else so he’ll be pleased with that one He once had me believing Josie Jump from Balamory (a children’s tv programme) is a porn star, he let me believe that one for over a year Excuse me I have to go n get laughed at... have fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiBob Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Bender said: I would happily go with 3 strikes rule and then life without parole. So you would want someone locked up for life if their third strike was stealing a tin of beans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Well that was fun. I no longer want to talk about prison, I maybe visiting one shortly.. grrrrrrrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Slowlycatchymonkey said: Well that was fun. I no longer want to talk about prison, I maybe visiting one shortly.. grrrrrrrr. for a short time we hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 minute ago, skyrider said: for a short time we hope Dunno cant make up my mind what level of payback is required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, KiwiBob said: So you would want someone locked up for life if their third strike was stealing a tin of beans? If they didn't learn from the first 2 yup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 It caused an interesting conversation at lunch. Cos how long can someone stay in the red mist for? Its kinda regarded as the moment the rage overwhelms someone and the violence begins and finishes. Quite a short period really but is there an extended version if you’re chasing after someone? As animals we’re have the chase and kill thing going on so when did this guy know what he was doing? My son said Chimpanzees show similar rage responses to us and are one of the few species like us that will chase over distance out of their territory purely due to rage - although I’m now dubious about anything I’ve been told today! So which bits did he do deliberately? I watched the footage he chased him quite far and waaaay over the speed limit in built up areas, he was lucky it was emptyish. I couldn’t help but think, Christ it’s just stuff and insured stuff at that, not worth anyone’s life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, Bender said: If they didn't learn from the first 2 yup. Life in Prison for stealing a tin of beans? So what do you think the punishment should be for those in high public office who abuse their powers and systematically asset-strip the country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 A knighthood? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six30 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, XTreme said: Life in Prison for stealing a tin of beans? So what do you think the punishment should be for those in high public office who abuse their powers and systematically asset-strip the country? they should be made to marry Diane Abbot 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Six30 said: they should be made to marry Diane Abbot I think that would class as cruel and unusual punishment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, XTreme said: Life in Prison for stealing a tin of beans? So what do you think the punishment should be for those in high public office who abuse their powers and systematically asset-strip the country? They would have to do it 3 times then same as Mr Bean, life. See what I did there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
learningtofly Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I commented on this over on the Triumph Forum, which if I'm honest I knew I should have just left when I decided that I didn't really like the place. Anyway, I posted a comment saying that the little scrotes were clearly scum but that I still didn't agree that vigilante killings were an acceptable form of punishment for theft. I was rounded upon immediately, the most popular response to my post being the one that called me a "limp-wristed, poncey, noncey weasel". 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, learningtofly said: I commented on this over on the Triumph Forum, which if I'm honest I knew I should have just left when I decided that I didn't really like the place. Anyway, I posted a comment saying that the little scrotes were clearly scum but that I still didn't agree that vigilante killings were an acceptable form of punishment for theft. I was rounded upon immediately, the most popular response to my post being the one that called me a "limp-wristed, poncey, noncey weasel". There is some right keyboard warriors out there these days! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geofferz Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, learningtofly said: I commented on this over on the Triumph Forum, which if I'm honest I knew I should have just left when I decided that I didn't really like the place. Anyway, I posted a comment saying that the little scrotes were clearly scum but that I still didn't agree that vigilante killings were an acceptable form of punishment for theft. I was rounded upon immediately, the most popular response to my post being the one that called me a "limp-wristed, poncey, noncey weasel". And I thought this place was bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowlycatchymonkey Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, learningtofly said: I commented on this over on the Triumph Forum, which if I'm honest I knew I should have just left when I decided that I didn't really like the place. Anyway, I posted a comment saying that the little scrotes were clearly scum but that I still didn't agree that vigilante killings were an acceptable form of punishment for theft. I was rounded upon immediately, the most popular response to my post being the one that called me a "limp-wristed, poncey, noncey weasel". Knuckledraggers LTF, leave those nasty people behind and come over here n play with the ni..ni...go.. goo... the people over here instead! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liveware Problem Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I think we can agree to disagree on this forum without falling out, usually I don't think speeding after someone and deliberately knocking them off in a way very likely to kill them is a reasonable and proportionate response to your bike being stolen. That's essentially saying if someone steals from you you should be able to execute them.. where do you draw the line? If someone takes your TV should you chase them down and beat them to a pulp with a baseball bat? What level of crime equates to your life now meaning nothing? Yes being a victim of theft sucks, I've had two motorbikes stolen and it made me furious and the idea the thief might crash into a ditch seemed pretty appealing, but it's not a solution. People don't commit theft for no reason, it's symptomatic of our unequal society and the environment they grow up in. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTreme Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Liveware Problem said: People don't commit theft for no reason, it's symptomatic of our unequal society and the environment they grow up in. I agree with what the "limp-wristed, poncey, noncey weasel" said! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Liveware Problem said: People don't commit theft for no reason, it's symptomatic of our unequal society and the environment they grow up in. One reason people steal is simply because they can and know the chances of being caught are negligible and if they do get caught punishment is a slap on the wrist. I'm not rich but I've never thought of stealing someone else's stuff. I work for everything I own. Face it some people are just born rotten. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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