Stu Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Does the bike jump forward when you put it in gear before stalling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stu said: Does the bike jump forward when you put it in gear before stalling? doesnt seem to no. Just cuts out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 This really does point to side stand switch but you say you have tested all that right? have you bypassed the switch If it was a stuck clutch then you should have a jump at least when you put it in gear as it would be stuck enough to stop the engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 If it was the switch, wouldn't the wheel move when clutch is pulled in and on center stand? by hand that it? I know the switch is the obvious thought, but the center stand trick has me wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, jedibiker said: doesnt seem to no. Just cuts out So it's probably not the clutch then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, jedibiker said: I stacked them the other day and they all sat sweet, even with the 2 heat stained ones. But ive not tested each on its own. Is that the procedure that is described in the manual then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, fastbob said: So it's probably not the clutch then . when in gear on the center stand the rear wheel wont move, pull the clutch in, the wheel wont move much at all but a little. .so how is it anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, fastbob said: Is that the procedure that is described in the manual then ? if metal plates are warped surely they wont sit in a stack of metal plates neatly.. no gaps. 8 plates you would see something.. can see the mood your in tonight bud, need a beer or sumat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, jedibiker said: If it was the switch, wouldn't the wheel move when clutch is pulled in and on center stand? by hand that it? I know the switch is the obvious thought, but the center stand trick has me wonder. You would be surprised! with a slight drag it can make it difficult to move by hand on the centre stand but no issues when is running etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 When clutch plates warp they don't always warp the way you think! They can warp in a way that the edges of the plates curl up/down and its very very hard to spot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, jedibiker said: if metal plates are warped surely they wont sit in a stack of metal plates neatly.. no gaps. 8 plates you would see something.. can see the mood your in tonight bud, need a beer or sumat Firstly , I'm not in a mood . I'm sitting in my shed polishing my Harley and dreaming of a wonderful summer to come . Secondly I don't drink . What I can't understand is why you keep on asking leading questions and not doing things by the book . It's your bike and only you can see and touch it . One minute the clutch isn't separating , then it is , then it's suspected clutch drag , now it's the lock out system and not the clutch after all , or is it ? Next it'll be stalling because there's not enough petrol in it or a loose battery lead . Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to help you sort this bike out but it's a two way process . Remember who insisted that the top end noise was metal to metal contact when everyone was being fed clues about oil starvation ? It doesn't get more metal to metal than a piece of a tool stuck in the piston . And what stud extractor did I recommend ? Not the one that broke as I recall . I'm not trying to have a go here but can you not see how exasperating this is ? Anyway . Whenever I have a bike that stalls when it is put into gear , the first place I look is the side stand switch . Have a pleasant evening . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, Stu said: When clutch plates warp they don't always warp the way you think! They can warp in a way that the edges of the plates curl up/down and its very very hard to spot fair enough. they did all sit well.. was a tip I saw somewhere online 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, fastbob said: Firstly , I'm not in a mood . I'm sitting in my shed polishing my Harley and dreaming of a wonderful summer to come . Secondly I don't drink . What I can't understand is why you keep on asking leading questions and not doing things by the book . It's your bike and only you can see and touch it . One minute the clutch isn't separating , then it is , then it's suspected clutch drag , now it's the lock out system and not the clutch after all , or is it ? Next it'll be stalling because there's not enough petrol in it or a loose battery lead . Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to help you sort this bike out but it's a two way process . Remember who insisted that the top end noise was metal to metal contact when everyone was being fed clues about oil starvation ? It doesn't get more metal to metal than a piece of a tool stuck in the piston . And what stud extractor did I recommend ? Not the one that broke as I recall . I'm not trying to have a go here but can you not see how exasperating this is ? Anyway . Whenever I have a bike that stalls when it is put into gear , the first place I look is the side stand switch . Have a pleasant evening . The suggestion was the clutch wasn't separating, but I only visually checked when Id cleaned all the plates etc, it may have before but it sounded to most like a sticking clutch. Ive simply pointed out the steps Ive taken and the results ive seen. Ive not said its a lock out system as I think its always been the clutch and yet to find something to say its not.. Usually when the clutch is moved in you can move the back wheel when in gear, and at the min I cant. Fair enough I didn't check each plate on its own, but tried a tip I had seen about how metal plates sit as a stack. If any were out Id expect to see an uneven stack but its possible its a flawed tip. But to me its not helping sending patronising one liners as if were in the bike chat forum. If this all annoys you then don't read or reply. You were bang on with the metal hence why I had the engine out and stripped it down, was advice I appreciated. But its been too shit a day for daft one liners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, jedibiker said: fair enough. they did all sit well.. was a tip I saw somewhere online I'm not saying you're wrong in what you have done just that they can warp in different ways and its always best to check them as many ways as possible while its all out to save hassle later If you have not bypassed the side stand switch yet then do that next to rule it out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Stu said: I'm not saying you're wrong in what you have done just that they can warp in different ways and its always best to check them as many ways as possible while its all out to save hassle later If you have not bypassed the side stand switch yet then do that next to rule it out can you not just fit a new switch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, skyrider said: can you not just fit a new switch Probably but its best to test it to make sure it is the dead part first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Stu said: Probably but its best to test it to make sure it is the dead part first yes that sounds right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Just now, skyrider said: yes that sounds right I'm not saying I like to make sure they are dead! And I am a Yorkshire man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Just now, Stu said: I'm not saying I like to make sure they are dead! And I am a Yorkshire man that's it don't spend it if you don't need to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mississippi Bullfrog Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Asking the obvious, does the rear wheel turn ok when it's in neutral? With it in gear and the clutch lever pulled fully in the you should be able to turn the rear wheel by hand. But you would expect the bike to jump when cutting out rather than just dying. How much free play is there at the clutch lever? When the clutch plates were out were the inner and outer parts of the basket free to move? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James in Brum Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I find it difficult to move my rear wheel when it is neutral. I assumed that was normal or might I have issues with my clutch? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, James in Brum said: I find it difficult to move my rear wheel when it is neutral. I assumed that was normal or might I have issues with my clutch? Just drag on plates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted April 2, 2021 Author Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said: Asking the obvious, does the rear wheel turn ok when it's in neutral? With it in gear and the clutch lever pulled fully in the you should be able to turn the rear wheel by hand. But you would expect the bike to jump when cutting out rather than just dying. How much free play is there at the clutch lever? When the clutch plates were out were the inner and outer parts of the basket free to move? In neutral moves freely, in gear not at all, then clutch pulled in still not but on a few moves will move a little. clutch lever has little play, ive tried it in different positions too. inner basket did, but i didnt try the outer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted April 2, 2021 Author Share Posted April 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Stu said: I'm not saying you're wrong in what you have done just that they can warp in different ways and its always best to check them as many ways as possible while its all out to save hassle later If you have not bypassed the side stand switch yet then do that next to rule it out I agree, from assembly I know where the connector is, do i just unplug it or bridge the wires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Just now, jedibiker said: I agree, from assembly I know where the connector is, do i just unplug it or bridge the wires? Depends which way the switch works Some you just unplug but 99% of them you bridge the wires I would go with bridging it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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