Noise checks in France

[billy sugger]

Just read France have introduced a trial run of noise check microphones and may start fining bikes with loud exhausts

[husoi]

Probably it will be the same as lane filtering, hiviz jackets, and all the other things they come up with that will last 2 weeks and then abandoned. 

[DR1]

6 minutes ago, billy sugger said:

Just read France have introduced a trial run of noise check microphones and may start fining bikes with loud exhausts

Germany and Austria have been doing it for years. 

[Gerontious]

1 hour ago, DR1 said:

Germany and Austria have been doing it for years. 

have they?  First I’ve heard about it.

 

only thing I’m aware of is a ban on illegal exhausts on just a few roads in the Tyrol. And these are offensively loud (not for road use or modified/bodged/butchered) -  95db at relatively low speeds in villages mostly. If you have a bike that loud at 20 or 30 mph then you’re taking the piss and deserve everything you get. 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Gerontious

[Bender]

I don't blame them, it's got to be a right pita living in a nice village and having twats screaming around. 

 

It's bad enough where I live and that's not particularly nice  

[DR1]

2 hours ago, Gerontious said:

have they?  First I’ve heard about it.

 

only thing I’m aware of is a ban on illegal exhausts on just a few roads in the Tyrol. And these are offensively loud (not for road use or modified/bodged/butchered) -  95db at relatively low speeds in villages mostly. If you have a bike that loud at 20 or 30 mph then you’re taking the piss and deserve everything you get. 

There were stories in the British press about British motorcyclists stranded in Germany after the police had done roadside

https://www.morebikes.co.uk/news/67958/official-campaign-against-loud-motorcycles-goes-from-1-area-to-81-areas-in-germany/

[DR1]

2 hours ago, Bender said:

I don't blame them, it's got to be a right pita living in a nice village and having twats screaming around. 

 

It's bad enough where I live and that's not particularly nice  

I used to live north of Aachen and often ride down to the Eifel for days out. Even 15 years ago there were stretches of road there which bikes were banned from on Sundays and holidays and other places where there were long sections of twisty road where there was a 70kmh speed limit for bikes only. At weekends there was always a police presence. 

[DR1]

3 hours ago, husoi said:

Probably it will be the same as lane filtering, hiviz jackets, and all the other things they come up with that will last 2 weeks and then abandoned. 

It’s been on the cards for a long time. Like the law enforcing the wearing of gloves it had come from a need to control moped riders more than motorcyclists.

Edited January 5, 2022 by DR1

[DR1]

2 hours ago, Gerontious said:

have they?  First I’ve heard about it.

 

only thing I’m aware of is a ban on illegal exhausts on just a few roads in the Tyrol. And these are offensively loud (not for road use or modified/bodged/butchered) -  95db at relatively low speeds in villages mostly. If you have a bike that loud at 20 or 30 mph then you’re taking the piss and deserve everything you get. 

It’s nice to see that my word is questioned yet again. Sorry but you don’t listen carefully enough. 

[DR1]

https://actu.fr/societe/radar-anti-bruit-des-amendes-pour-les-motards-a-partir-de-2022_43744952.html
 

[Steve_M]

3 hours ago, Bender said:

I don't blame them, it's got to be a right pita living in a nice village and having twats screaming around. 

 

It's bad enough where I live and that's not particularly nice  

I used to live in the village of Acle in Norfolk. Friday night was bike night at the White Swan in Gt Yarmouth and accessed by the A47 “Acle Straight”. The first 2 1/4 miles from the roundabout to the Stracey Arms is dead straight and pretty well directly in line with my house. There is a slight bend at this point and then the next 4 3/4 miles is also dead straight. In my lounge I could hear bikes throughout the length of this stretch of road and knew when they reached both the Stracey Arms and the holiday park at the far end. 
 

I hate loud exhausts. There is no need for it and all it does is piss off the public. My neighbours used to ask why people have loud pipes. “Cos they’re dicks” was my usual answer. 

[Gerontious]

2 hours ago, DR1 said:

It’s nice to see that my word is questioned yet again. Sorry but you don’t listen carefully enough. 

don’t be so sensitive. I thought I was clear. First I’ve heard of it which was true. But it doesn’t surprise me. In Germany the polizei take a very dim view of anyone flouting the law. A German bike with an illegal exhaust is a deliberate act of sabotage of the TUV. They will have removed it prior to the test then put it back on afterwards. Which is just asking for it.

 

if you end up stranded… then you really have asked for it. Breaking these laws seem to be almost a national pastime in this country.. but don’t expect to get away with it in the Germanic lands.

 

I wonder if these testing devices are standard kit in a polizei car. Or was this a deliberate sting or just an added bonus for those who think they can get away with ignoring speed limits. Or riding with their lights off. Or failing to indicate. Or any other daft thing they might have done that caught the cops attention.

 

I’ve seen police traps in Germany more than a few times. But they ignore me because I don’t give them the middle finger (metaphorically speaking)

[TimR]

 They have been trialled in uk

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-noise-camera-trial-to-crack-down-on-illegal-vehicles

[S-Westerly]

13 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

don’t be so sensitive. I thought I was clear. First I’ve heard of it which was true. But it doesn’t surprise me. In Germany the polizei take a very dim view of anyone flouting the law. A German bike with an illegal exhaust is a deliberate act of sabotage of the TUV. They will have removed it prior to the test then put it back on afterwards. Which is just asking for it.

 

if you end up stranded… then you really have asked for it. Breaking these laws seem to be almost a national pastime in this country.. but don’t expect to get away with it in the Germanic lands.

 

I wonder if these testing devices are standard kit in a polizei car. Or was this a deliberate sting or just an added bonus for those who think they can get away with ignoring speed limits. Or riding with their lights off. Or failing to indicate. Or any other daft thing they might have done that caught the cops attention.

 

I’ve seen police traps in Germany more than a few times. But they ignore me because I don’t give them the middle finger (metaphorically speaking)

Austrian cops are supposedly worse. When I worked with Germans they used to whinge like hell about Austrian cops doing them over for every little thing. Personally in those parts of the world I obey their rules. Sensible and polite and massive on the spot fines are not my cup of tea. Norway too for that matter.

[Bender]

7 minutes ago, TimR said:

 They have been trialled in uk

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-noise-camera-trial-to-crack-down-on-illegal-vehicles

Yup we had thread on here a while back. 

[DR1]

40 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

don’t be so sensitive. I thought I was clear. First I’ve heard of it which was true. But it doesn’t surprise me. In Germany the polizei take a very dim view of anyone flouting the law. A German bike with an illegal exhaust is a deliberate act of sabotage of the TUV. They will have removed it prior to the test then put it back on afterwards. Which is just asking for it.

 

if you end up stranded… then you really have asked for it. Breaking these laws seem to be almost a national pastime in this country.. but don’t expect to get away with it in the Germanic lands.

 

I wonder if these testing devices are standard kit in a polizei car. Or was this a deliberate sting or just an added bonus for those who think they can get away with ignoring speed limits. Or riding with their lights off. Or failing to indicate. Or any other daft thing they might have done that caught the cops attention.

 

I’ve seen police traps in Germany more than a few times. But they ignore me because I don’t give them the middle finger (metaphorically speaking)

Perhaps I am sensitive but perhaps you worded your response in a negative way. You seemed to be questioning my post rather than thanking me for informing you. Perhaps that’s your style. If so don’t expect me to like it or be impressed. The bike was tested because it was deemed to be too loud. It was. The rider was not allowed to continue until a suitable exhaust was fitted.
I always found the German police to be very fair, I lived there for 26 years and had a couple of roadside meetings with them but only one that cost me money. I wasn’t stopped because I gave them the middle finger, I was stopped that time because I was driving at over 50kmh when I entered a 50kmh limit.
The German aftermarket is well organised, replacement components, including exhausts are themselves TüV tested and may be fitted to replace the OE. 
The stranded motorcyclist was stopped at an autobahn Restplatz where the police had a mobile testing station. That was just one of many examples given. 

[Pie man]

I have read about the issue regarding noise pollution in areas of natural beauty or so to say for a long while, in respect of the bike being noisy or not, from what I gather, the federal council introduced a ban on motorcycles using particular roads on Sunday's.   

 

[DR1]

8 hours ago, husoi said:

Probably it will be the same as lane filtering, hiviz jackets, and all the other things they come up with that will last 2 weeks and then abandoned. 

Filtering was run as a fixed time experiment on certain roads. After the experiment was complete it was decided to not change the law. As far as I remember it the hi-viz vest confusion came about because a British source, possibly the RAC or a ferry company, posted incorrect information. It has never been a requirement to wear hi-viz in France. Many of the other laws, like the requirement to have reflective stickers on helmets do not apply to visitors on foreign registered bikes. 
The really confusing law was the one requiring drivers to carry breathalysers. That was a dodgy decision at Presidential level where a friend of his stood to gain financially from the new law. Although the law was passed the fine for not carrying an in date breathalyser kit was always €0 so nobody took it seriously.

The one law that all visitors need to be wary of are the different speed limits on the open road, that can be very confusing even within one département. 

[Mr Fro]

1 hour ago, DR1 said:

Perhaps I am sensitive but perhaps you worded your response in a negative way. You seemed to be questioning my post rather than thanking me for informing you. Perhaps that’s your style. If so don’t expect me to like it or be impressed.

Don't worry, the rest of us feel the same way.

[onesea]

On 05/01/2022 at 12:09, husoi said:

Probably it will be the same as lane filtering, hiviz jackets, and all the other things they come up with that will last 2 weeks and then abandoned. 

Not until they have burned a few cars I am sure... 

 

I have said before I am not one that believes in loud exhausts.  However my trophy is in need of a new exhaust, affordable quite exhausts are hard to find...

[Joe85]

On 05/01/2022 at 13:24, Gerontious said:

have they?  First I’ve heard about it.

 

only thing I’m aware of is a ban on illegal exhausts on just a few roads in the Tyrol. And these are offensively loud (not for road use or modified/bodged/butchered) -  95db at relatively low speeds in villages mostly. If you have a bike that loud at 20 or 30 mph then you’re taking the piss and deserve everything you get.