Cost of living crisis

[Bender]

1 hour ago, Tiggie said:

Talking to my boss at the shop and he said he's not worried yet as we are on a fixed rate until April but come then he's no idea what's going to happen if things don't calm down. When Utility bills and product costs are doubling or more where is the money to pay for that going to come from? 

 

 

My bill I have options, pack garage in, get Leccy removed and buy electric start genny, ut it's going to be worse for folks who's jobs rely on it. 

[rob m]

1 hour ago, Essem said:

Putin playing geopolitical chess, aiming to weaken Europe to the point of economic collapse. Things like Trump and Brexit just strengthen his position by sewing division.

 

Putin is running out of options now, without a demand for energy they're blunted. 

 

Totally agree on Brexit, it's been a monumental disaster. We are isolated from the EU so they're are going to be reluctant to help us and I don't blame them. We are on our own. 

 

However we've got blue passports, 'taken back control', gained sovereignty (whatever the f**k that is) and not been controlled by EU laws although anybody I've spoken to can't mention a single one. 17.4M people duped by lies and now we're all feeling the effects. I'd be ashamed if I'd voted Brexit but of course the right wing media and rabid Brexiteers will blame Remainers anyway. The sheep will believe whatever they're fed.

 

Happy to be proved wrong though, especially when the thousands of Brexit benefits come flying my way. 

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[S-Westerly]

3 hours ago, Bender said:

Ive just had my sat spoiled, I rent a garage that has 3phase supply and 3meters, usualy bills are around £90. Today's just landed,  over 1k,  that's unsustainable. 

Could you use a genset or is that not practical? 

[Bender]

54 minutes ago, S-Westerly said:

Could you use a genset or is that not practical? 

It's a possibility, need to speak to them first as I think they've managed to get the meters mixed up,  have taken pics of them, worryingly though one of the meters is running with everything off, need to investigate Leccy fault or a feed going to another garage I know nothing about, I've pulled the fuse fir now. 

[Trooper74]

The gas price is completely artificial ..... we need to uncouple the gas we have coming from our own sources, north sea etc, and price energy on a local basis .... Fracking for gas has saved massive amounts for other countries users because they do not tie it to an  artificial world rate. 

This winter the 15% of gas used in the EU, provided by the UK, will be sold back to us at over x2 the price we sold it to them  ... because they store our gas ..and we can’t !!!

 

[Bianco2564]

10 hours ago, Bender said:

Trump warned Germany of reliance on Russian oil and gas at the un and they just smirked at his comments, well there not smirking now. 

They were probably smirking at his ineptitude, he was thinking he had said something clever but the UN had heard it all before.

[Bender]

20 minutes ago, Bianco2564 said:

They were probably smirking at his ineptitude, he was thinking he had said something clever but the UN had heard it all before.

Nope they just thought cheap Russian gas would be reliable and cheap and nord stream 2 would guarantee future expansion, I doubt any one of them thought nord 1 would be turned off. 

[bonio]

Can you imagine the uproar if Boris was found to be receiving backhanders from Putin because he'd been made a non executive director of Gazprom? But apparently that kind of thing is just fine in Germany where not one but two former Chancellors were doing just that. No wonder Europe's energy policy is in a mess.

[Essem]

5 hours ago, rob m said:

 

Putin is running out of options now, without a demand for energy they're blunted. 

 

 

There are plenty buying Russian oil & gas, and prices are high. India cannot upset Russia because that’s where they get their weapons. China - needs energy and ‘the west’ are not sticking their neck out to help. So in many respects,game still very much on for Putin, Probably waiting for General winter to play a hand, has worked before. Trump, Brexit, played into Putin’s hand, useful idiots. What we really need is for Europe not to collapse this winter, IMHO.  But maybe increase in arms to Ukraine will help cause Putin problems he didn’t expect, and it will be his game over. let’s hope.

[Bender]

58 minutes ago, bonio said:

Can you imagine the uproar if Boris was found to be receiving backhanders from Putin because he'd been made a non executive director of Gazprom? But apparently that kind of thing is just fine in Germany where not one but two former Chancellors were doing just that. No wonder Europe's energy policy is in a mess.

Don't forget pushing through 2 gas lines and very recently going on holiday to see his pall Putin. 

[Bender]

Russia has said nord 1 is now turned off indefinitely and the zaporizhia power plant is no longer supplying power to ukrainian held areas. 

 

Expect the price of gas to get much worse as Germany attempts to fill the very large hole in their gas supply. 

 

Russia has gone from limiting their ability to store gas to getting them using up reserves they have  built up

for the winter. 

 

 

 

[Essem]

Cold winter, German industry severely affected by lack of gas, Norway sells gas to Germany, so UK tnot getting enough gas from Norway and UK industry severely affected. Euro and pound drop. All plays to Putin’s plan. It’s a time for unity within Europe IMHO, maybe that will be realised if Russia invades another country. Putin gave a speech recently saying Russia fighting the west for it’s existence.

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

By Wednesday I'm sure our new PM will have sorted it all out.

 

[Bender]

9 minutes ago, Essem said:

Cold winter, German industry severely affected by lack of gas, Norway sells gas to Germany, so UK tnot getting enough gas from Norway and UK industry severely affected. Euro and pound drop. All plays to Putin’s plan. It’s a time for unity within Europe IMHO, maybe that will be realised if Russia invades another country. Putin gave a speech recently saying Russia fighting the west for it’s existence.

I doubt Norway will renage on contracts already in place. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

By Wednesday I'm sure our new PM will have sorted it all out.

 

She'll definitely will be looking out for the little people and not in anyway looking for ways to siphon more public money out to donors.

[Essem]

I don’t know how binding any arrangement between Norway and UK is re gas supply, but if resources are not shared to help those in real trouble it will lead to disunity. Heads Putin wins, Tails Europe loses. Divide and conquer and all that. We need a warm winter.

 I think our politicians are playing draughts, whilst Putin is playing chess. New PM will no doubt focus on handing out a few hundred quid to all households (rather than targeting those who will really need it). Sticking plasters to chase votes, staggering from crisis to crisis without any fundamental plan.

 

[Bender]

49 minutes ago, Essem said:

I don’t know how binding any arrangement between Norway and UK is re gas supply, but if resources are not shared to help those in real trouble it will lead to disunity. Heads Putin wins, Tails Europe loses. Divide and conquer and all that. We need a warm winter.

 I think our politicians are playing draughts, whilst Putin is playing chess. New PM will no doubt focus on handing out a few hundred quid to all households (rather than targeting those who will really need it). Sticking plasters to chase votes, staggering from crisis to crisis without any fundamental plan.

 

Putin has the advantage of not being in a democracy while holding the energy card and Europe to ransome. 

[Essem]

2 hours ago, Bender said:

Putin has the advantage of not being in a democracy while holding the energy card and Europe to ransome. 

need to get mega tough with countries supporting Russia - no tech exports, chips, weapons, aid. Need to increase the weapons to Ukraine, don’t bow down to bully. Could get very messy.

[KiwiBob]

1 hour ago, Essem said:

need to get mega tough with countries supporting Russia - no tech exports, chips, weapons, aid. Need to increase the weapons to Ukraine, don’t bow down to bully. Could get very messy.

Good luck with that! .. 

[MikeHorton]

13 hours ago, Essem said:

need to get mega tough with countries supporting Russia - no tech exports, chips, weapons, aid. Need to increase the weapons to Ukraine, don’t bow down to bully. Could get very messy.

India being the biggest one Modi would jump into bed with anyone! 

[Bender]

France is going to start up all its nuclear reactors some of which were going to be de commissioned, France has got its gas reserves to over 90% even that level only covers 25% of the gas they need for winter. 

 

Germany is going to make 65b available to help folk and short term they are going to start digging up more coal, they are still hopeful nord 1 will re open within days. 

[Blackholesun]

On 02/09/2022 at 18:23, oldgrump said:

Hi @Bianco2564, Right 3 bed semi,  on British gas,  last month £66 electric, so £2.00 roughly a day,  that's including the workshop,  today been running the lathe etc,  and currently this is the reading!!

And yesterday reading all day,

Mind you did go out for breakfast and evening meal .

And we pay for what we use,  so no fixed price per month, same as gas,  around £27 a month at moment. 

The point must be in the wrong place !

[Tiggie]

@Blackholesun

 

Mine usually shows around 90p by the time I get up in the morning!!

[onesea]

It's all very curious...

I can understand the gas price increase, supply and demand etc.

 

Why do they need the extra penny a day on standing charge?  Is that a cost they could absorb? 

 

Having a smart thermostat, using last year's gas figures for comparison. 

January's monthly bill will be somewhere between £170 and £200 pound.  That's for a 3 bed house. 

 

More to the point anyone got any idea why my charges are higher than the maximums stated on Offcoms site?

 

Edited September 5, 2022 by onesea

[Essem]

22 hours ago, Bender said:

Putin has the advantage of not being in a democracy while holding the energy card and Europe to ransome. 

last two PMs in UK elected by an anonymous 0.3% of the electorate (tongue in cheek)