Mickly Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Trooper74 said: Whats your answer ? Some counselling for the Gremlins, new trainers, maybe a holiday .... a telling off from their Nana's ..... If Constable Woke tries to arrest them he will soon be twinned with a colander i expect ..... Not at all, arrest them & prosecute them, not just shoot them coz you think they’re guilty. 2 Quote
MikeHorton Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 59 minutes ago, Trooper74 said: I had tried to go down the satirical humour route ..... and obviously failed ..... I'll stick to Engineering Mike..... No by all means say what you like but speaking from experience I think ur generalisations are wrong stereotyping a group isn't always wise. I've lost 2 close friends who were serving police officers in the last year through suicide (work related) so when someone labels them due to their profession and not as individuals you will understand yes its hits a nerve and I apologise if my response causes you any issues @Trooper74. It's sometimes good to try and champion all the good people do, you can look at the media for doom and gloom and maybe if somethings not right do your bit to put it right or highlight it. As I often say 'it's nice to be nice' or even positive, it tends to rub off on others. 1 Quote
Trooper74 Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, goat said: I started watching it but gave up early on I'm afraid, probably well before the plot developed. Totally understand .... i'm like that when Jules is watching "Jane the Virgin" ..... Quote
Bender Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 Police are the same the world over, good and bad in them all, I've a mate who's in law enforcement in hazard kentucky, you wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of him, ex marine, he's as laid back and calm as can be but in general I think the whole thought process of law and disorder is different to what we are used to. All the plods I know over here are predominantly self righteous pricks Purly based on my own out of work interactions with them obviously 2 Quote
Ronnie Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Trooper74 said: Totally understand .... i'm like that when Jules is watching "Jane the Virgin" ..... Oh, come on ! "Jane the Virgin" is up there with anything Shakespeare or Voltaire wrote. Strongly recommend you sit down with Jules and pay attention. You'll kick yourself for not having got into it sooner ! Quote
Fozzie Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 I've had a few run ins with the police. There's good and bad. When I was a teenager, I used to do "urbex". This often involved climbing tower cranes, exploring old asylums, and abandoned factories. If spotted, people would fear arson and call the police. Most of the times they just gave me a strong talking to and sent me on my way. One took things too far, I came out the building and put my hands up, and he ran and tackled me. That feckin hurt. His colleagues apologised before I was sent on my way. I got pulled over in my old Vauxhall Corsa (the ultimate chav mobile admittedly) because I apparently looked too young. He wouldn't believe I was 17 and had a license, and then was upset to find out I was legal and insured. He then inspected the car, found nothing, so then decided to search me which I later found out he had no right to. In London, the met was a lot more of a mixed bag. I was pulled over on my bike a few times, as at first, I was riding a 125 without L-plates and they made assumptions. Also one numpty pulled me and a friend for too much chain slack, and then flew into a rant about how he was still right when we pointed out the sticker on the swingarm showing the slack was in spec. I was blocked access to my things when trying to move out of an ex's place, and the police needed to be involved to let me gain access and take my things back. One of the coppers took down my details and gave me a call later, having reviewed a video I'd taken by my phone sticking out my pocket of the encounter. And while it wasn't the result I wanted, he gave great advice that genuinely saved my ass down the line. My Grandad built steam engines in his retirement, small working replicas. When he passed my gran deteriorated, and dementia followed. A man had clearly cased out the area, and offered to trim her bushes. He stole 3 of the engines, which were to be passed on when my gran died. The guy dodged jail, but they fined the arse out from under him. I later heard his work van was burnt to the ground, and the police weren't interested in looking too much into it... Now that did make me smile. Most recently, I was the witness to a bad hit and run. Two druggies driving a car illegally ran off, and I tried to stop one but he flashed a knife. They found the chap, and he got 4 years, no chance of early release. He is 19, so at that age, it's a big chunk of your life down the toilet. To sum this all up. While my experiences are anecdotal, if you stare at social media and focus on every sentence that is too lenient, every bit of hyperbole about them being woke, and every time a copper does wrong, then you'll just go down a rabbit hole. People forget how big their country is, never mind the world. They have their bad eggs, no doubt, I've met one or two I think could be, but the majority are just working a job like the rest of us. TLDR: Generalisation is bad. 5 Quote
Tiggie Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 Last time I had an encounter with the police was during height of COVID and the lockdown. I was driving to work at around 4:30am when a police car passed me. Saw him in my rear view do a 3 point turn and begin to follow me. As I was parking up outside work he pulled up next to me and wound his window down. I did the same and he asked me what I was doing driving around at this time. I said I was on my way to spend five hours in a cellar cutting fillets and pointed to the fish shop. He laughed, said "better you than me" and drove off!! Now I could of been all outraged at him stopping me for no reason as I had done nothing wrong etc but the thing is I would of done the exact same thing in his shoes. I probably did look dodgy driving around in early hours, during full lockdown. 5 Quote
Yorky Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiggie said: Now I could of been all outraged at him stopping me for no reason as I had done nothing wrong etc but the thing is I would of done the exact same thing in his shoes. I probably did look dodgy driving around in early hours, during full lockdown. Basically he was doing good policing, the sort that we should all be grateful for. Edited January 26, 2023 by Yorky 2 Quote
Pie man Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Yorky said: Basically he was doing good policing, the sort that we should all be grateful for. Grateful for what, doing his job Quote
Bender Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pie man said: Grateful for what, doing his job Considering the pile of shit they have to deal with on daily basis yup When we were kids you always got chased by the plod for being places you weren't supposed to be, right spoil sports, one roof with easy access took a kids life, he didn't go to my school but we all had been over the roof at some point, looked like nothing, 5ft off a wall, it was built into a hill side with over 20ft drop on inside, we didn't play on any roofs after that unless they were flat and had felt. 3 Quote
Yorky Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 30 minutes ago, Pie man said: Grateful for what, doing his job If that wasn't Tiggie but some scrote riding away on your nicked bike I think you would be grateful. 1 1 Quote
Pie man Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Yorky said: If that wasn't Tiggie but some scrote riding away on your nicked bike I think you would be grateful. I bet Tiggie's customers were more grateful he wasn't arrested. Edited January 26, 2023 by Pie man 1 Quote
Throttled Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 On 23/01/2023 at 22:45, Fish said: Sadly too many snowflakes who don't understand that crime deserves punishment! The UK "snowflake" police shot and killed 3 people in 2022. Deaths in police custody | Inquest The "tough guy" US police shot and killed 1403 people in 2022. Past Summary Ledgers | Gun Violence Archive The US population is about 5 times the UKs, so if the US police were snowflakes they would have shoot 15 people in 2022 and if the UK police were tough guys, they would have shot 280 people. Thank God the UK police are snowflakes! I worked as a security guard in Boston for a summer in 1986. I was there for 4 months and in that time I was present four times when guns were drawn and on three of those occasions, fired. I would never have joined the police if there was routine arming. I don't understand why any cop is prepared to carry a gun, as the level of scrutiny they are under is intense and even a legitimate, justifiable shot can result in them being under investigation for months, even years. Much of the criticism of the police now being snowflakes and woke is because they are finally reaching out to communities who have been neglected in the past, in particular the LGBTQ+ community, who are now, rightly, coming forward to report crime in the past they would not have bothered to. The police still have a long way to go to rid themselves of the homophobic, racist, misogynistic cops who between them, made up a shockingly high proportion of the force. The term woke has been hijacked, but it is a good thing to be aware of issues such as racism. The Commissioner of the Met has warned that over the next few weeks, there is going to be string of revelations about criminal conduct by police officers. I say that is a strong sign the police are reforming and getting rid of cops who should not be in the job. You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. The ONS has also recently revealed that over 50% of crime is now fraud and computer misuse and violent crime continues to fall. A police officer in 10 years time is more likely to be someone who spends their day at a computer, who does not need to be a tough guy and may well qualify as a snowflake. 3 Quote
Throttled Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 On 26/01/2023 at 12:18, Tiggie said: Last time I had an encounter with the police was during height of COVID and the lockdown. I was driving to work at around 4:30am when a police car passed me. Saw him in my rear view do a 3 point turn and begin to follow me. As I was parking up outside work he pulled up next to me and wound his window down. I did the same and he asked me what I was doing driving around at this time. I said I was on my way to spend five hours in a cellar cutting fillets and pointed to the fish shop. He laughed, said "better you than me" and drove off!! Now I could of been all outraged at him stopping me for no reason as I had done nothing wrong etc but the thing is I would of done the exact same thing in his shoes. I probably did look dodgy driving around in early hours, during full lockdown. In defence of the police during lockdown, the Covid regulations were rushed, badly worded, had lots of loopholes and the government constantly mixed up advice with the regulations, so no wonder the police got confused and made many mistakes. In criticism of the police, too many cops made little to no effort to learn the regulations as they went OTT in their enforcement and their supposed common sense went straight out the window. It was like they went on a crusade to save the UK from the virus and decided they were the nations protectors. Cops even started arguments with the scientists, over vaccination, with many demanding to be put towards the front of the queue over people who would far more likely fall seriously ill or die. Since most cops are under 50 and the cops who are in response policing are mostly in their 20s, are fit, have no underlying health conditions, they were at a very low risk. The result is the the police did themselves no favours during the pandemic. I work for a local authority home care department and it got so bad, even though we worn a uniform and had ID, we were all given a letter to show the police to confirm we were outside and travelling around to do our jobs. 3 Quote
Bianco2564 Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 The latest from the US police force. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64404827 Quote
Fiddlesticks Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 55 minutes ago, Bianco2564 said: The latest from the US police force. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64404827 Insanity. But if we want to examine "woke" attitudes, the BBC report is a case study in itself. Quote
rennie Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 I very nearly became a cop twice! Before and after I joined The Army. I don't think I'd want to do it nowadays! what a thankless, horrible job it's become. It's very easy to slag them off but what sort of state would we be in without them? looking at other Countries I still think ours are pretty good 4 Quote
onesea Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) On 23/01/2023 at 17:49, Trooper74 said: Watch it .... do our police need a makeover ??? When I see this clip, I do wonder.. https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClXnBrBOfdf/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Someone got it wrong, you would hope someone would offer help. Not just film. Edited January 28, 2023 by onesea Quote
Six30 Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 On 25/01/2023 at 18:09, goat said: I started watching it but gave up early on I'm afraid, probably well before the plot developed. i skipped through it , thought they was going to show them gunning em down.... but no just talking ..zzzzz Quote
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