onesea Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Just curious, no particular agenda just wondering what people views are. I have done a little googling but I am sure on here there will be some with better knowledge. It seems those that believe do so with some conviction, more often all 3 at once. Edited March 22, 2021 by onesea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Antivax- completely f**king brain dead, not just for covid but everything else too. Events in Bristol- bunch of rent a mob anarchists which Bristol can usually muster. Tossers the lot of em. The Great Reset - mythology and beloved of conspiracy loons. Life is too short to wade through their tripe. However if its true can I volunteer antivaxers and Bristol mobs for being reset? Just my opinion. Edited March 22, 2021 by S-Westerly 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Frog Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 What he said !! Cheers Ian 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geofferz Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, S-Westerly said: Antivax- completely f**king brain dead, not just for covid but everything else too. Events in Bristol- bunch of rent a mob anarchists which Bristol can usually muster. Tossers the lot of em. The Great Reset - mythology and beloved of conspiracy loons. Life is too short to wade through their tripe. However if its true can I volunteer antivaxers and Bristol mobs for being reset? Just my opinion. No need to hold back - tell us what you really feel, this is a safe space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 A 14yr old who killed a man with one punch let off with no charge as guy he hit was drunk, there is no fecking fecking sense in this country. As for the right to protest yes I agree but not at the cost of holding the city of London or the country at ransome, the violence last night is unfortunately always simmering under the surface within sections of our society. It's ok you can push a police and call them what you like as long as your mate is recording it on a phone in the off chance a police retaliates and hurts your feelings. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I read the situation in Bristol as being a mob who in protest of a bill banning violent protest, decide to have an extra violent protest, which actually made the broader society back the governments bill. They really shot themselves in the foot regardless of which way your views fall. Anti-vaxxers are split into some groups, the sceptics who I can understand as it's more often a feeling associated with "why do most vaccines take so much longer?". Which is a valid question, and has a valid answer. And there are many other questions of this nature, and I'm happy to discuss with them. But the ones who actively believe in any youtube videos spewing information against vaccines, no matter how ridiculous, or easily debunkable their information is, and spit blood at those trying to reason with them, and call everyone else sheep despite being clearly herded by cash grabbers monetising sensationalist bullshit videos for views are in my opinion the dregs of society. And I don't bother with them anymore as you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't get to with reason in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiBob Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Fozzie said: I read the situation in Bristol as being a mob who in protest of a bill banning violent protest, decide to have an extra violent protest, which actually made the broader society back the governments bill. They really shot themselves in the foot regardless of which way your views fall. The bill is about banning NON violent protests! The police already have the powers to deal with violent protest. Protests that cause "annoyance" or are too "noisy" will be illegal and get may you arrested! Even a single protester making a noise could be arrested if its deemed to be "annoying"! This is a bad law! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxie49 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 What happened in Bristol last night is an absolute disgrace, I felt sorry for the Police ..... I know that some people will always find a band wagon to jump on, go back to the 60's and it was anti Vietnam war, move on a few years and it was CND and ban the bomb, I remember the riots then and the trouble at Greenham Common. More recently we have ER, BLM, Anti-vaxxers, anti lockdown, anti migrant demonstrations and clashes in Kent, it's one f----d up mess after another. I'm sick of seeing and hearing about it. I'm no expert, but IMHO the new policing bill included extra powers to deal with demonstrations because your average Joe on the street is sick and tired of being held to ransom by these people, and having their lives affected by their actions. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiBob Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, manxie49 said: What happened in Bristol last night is an absolute disgrace, I felt sorry for the Police ..... I know that some people will always find a band wagon to jump on, go back to the 60's and it was anti Vietnam war, move on a few years and it was CND and ban the bomb, I remember the riots then and the trouble at Greenham Common. More recently we have ER, BLM, Anti-vaxxers, anti lockdown, anti migrant demonstrations and clashes in Kent, it's one f----d up mess after another. I'm sick of seeing and hearing about it. I'm no expert, but IMHO the new policing bill included extra powers to deal with demonstrations because your average Joe on the street is sick and tired of being held to ransom by these people, and having their lives affected by their actions. It was a disgrace! .. But the police already have the powers to deal with this violence! The new bill is about putting an end to peaceful protests! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxie49 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, KiwiBob said: It was a disgrace! .. But the police already have the powers to deal with this violence! The new bill is about putting an end to peaceful protests! I don't have an issue with people who want to engage in vigils or peaceful protests, however, when their actions start affecting everyday life, such as blocking public roads, gluing themselves to planes and trains, then that goes beyond peaceful protest and becomes public disorder IMO. I recall, not that long ago ER blocking roads into London, I also recall, from a personal perspective, a relative who was unable to get into hospital for a scan he'd waited ages for because of it, some of these people don't think or seem to care about how their actions affect other people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, geofferz said: No need to hold back - tell us what you really feel, this is a safe space. I thought I did.? As to safe space? Who gives a toss? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 The proposed law includes an offence of "intentionally or recklessly causing public nuisance". This is designed to stop people occupying public spaces, hanging off bridges, gluing themselves to windows, or employing other protest tactics to make themselves both seen and heard. It also includes measures designed to protect public statues etc.. One person glued to the front of a train is enough to cause mayhem. Yes the law could be misused and if it is then we have a system where by we replace the Gov in a democratic way and let them know it's an issue. Protests should be arranged and have some order. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geofferz Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, S-Westerly said: I thought I did.? As to safe space? Who gives a toss? Was joking! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 The trouble with a right to protest is that all to often it has become a right to riot. This proposed Bill isn't necessarily the best but if violent protests are not curbed then we are looking at water cannons like many EU countries or rubber bullets. We've used them in Northern Ireland but not yet on the mainland. I'm not sure I like the drift we have but don't see any other solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_M Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, KiwiBob said: It was a disgrace! .. But the police already have the powers to deal with this violence! The new bill is about putting an end to peaceful protests! It’s to quell dissent. The relevant section is very poorly worded and is open to interpretation (ie. abuse). Hopefully it will be tidied up on its way through the legislation process. I haven’t seen the relevant section but there’s something about causing financial harm, so if you decide to boycott an organisation you believe to be unethical you can be prosecuted. This probably will not affect us as individuals but if, say, an advertiser pulls their adverts from, say, the Daily Mail, for hate headlines, then they may well be liable. There is a group called “Stop Funding Hate” that lobbies advertisers to withdraw their adverts from publications that have a tendency to spread hate through misinformation. They will need to look carefully at their policies in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Steve_M said: It’s to quell dissent. The relevant section is very poorly worded and is open to interpretation (ie. abuse). Hopefully it will be tidied up on its way through the legislation process. I haven’t seen the relevant section but there’s something about causing financial harm, so if you decide to boycott an organisation you believe to be unethical you can be prosecuted. This probably will not affect us as individuals but if, say, an advertiser pulls their adverts from, say, the Daily Mail, for hate headlines, then they may well be liable. There is a group called “Stop Funding Hate” that lobbies advertisers to withdraw their adverts from publications that have a tendency to spread hate through misinformation. They will need to look carefully at their policies in the future. Don't think that applies in this case. Picketing their offices yes, but choosing to take your business elsewhere? Can't see that. Lobbying people to do something provided you do it legally would also be fine even if most lobbyists are even more slimy than politicians- looking at you David Cameron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six30 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 the c"nts shouldn't be out protesting in mass groups at the moment whatever the reason.... rubber bullet the lot of em . 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Frog Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Six30 said: the c"nts shouldn't be out protesting in mass groups at the moment whatever the reason.... rubber bullet the lot of em . You are so soft and woke on the little tossers ! Rubber is expensive do what the army used to do and use old torch batteries instead they cant be recharged. Recycling and suppress unrest all in one. Cheers Ian 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilM Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Whilst I agree yesterdays events were a tad uncalled for. I feel we are in danger of becoming a country where one cannot question the regime. I have in the past been "kettled" by the police. And believe me they need no more powers than they already have. And no, I'm not a loony antifa. Once was on a very peaceful march against the austerity cuts and the other times while attending football. Let's be under no illusions. The police. Especially certain forces are renowned for getting stuck in. By the time peaceful protest can resume, the bill will be past and thats another nail in the coffin of democracy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerontious Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 55 minutes ago, NeilM said: And no, I'm not a loony antifa. what are you then? me.. I am definitely Antifa. absolutely and proudly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six30 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gerontious said: what are you then? me.. I am definitely Antifa. absolutely and proudly. is that another word for Twat ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerontious Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Six30 said: is that another word for Twat ? You mean "Antifa"? is that what you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilM Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 36 minutes ago, Gerontious said: what are you then? me.. I am definitely Antifa. absolutely and proudly. Not loony. Definitely anti facist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six30 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Gerontious said: You mean "Antifa"? is that what you think? whats with all the questions , what are you a copper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerontious Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, NeilM said: Not loony. Definitely anti facist Thankyou. though I see that somehow labelled was being loony all the time... and we all should know where that kind of thinking leads. First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Edited March 22, 2021 by Gerontious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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