billy sugger Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I have got a speeding ticket. 40 in a 30,but to be honest I never realised. I saw the van, but hadn't noticed the limit had changed, now have option of a fixed penalty or a speed awareness course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, billy sugger said: I have got a speeding ticket. 40 in a 30,but to be honest I never realised. I saw the van, but hadn't noticed the limit had changed, now have option of a fixed penalty or a speed awareness course Bugger, I would go for course, might even be online 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbob Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Do the course . It's still online as far as I know . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHorton Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) I'd certainly do the course I had one years ago Edited December 31, 2021 by MikeHorton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackholesun Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Course was a nice morning out when I did it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxie49 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Nice New Years pressie for you I'd definitely be going for the course, keep the moola in my own wallet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy sugger Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 It will be online and cost about 95quid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorky Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, billy sugger said: It will be online and cost about 95quid But 0 points and no record for anyone else to find Edited December 31, 2021 by Yorky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxie49 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 As Yorky said, no points, so shouldn't impact on insurance costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Yorky said: But 0 points and no record for anyone else to find Some insurance will ask if you've been on one, your not legally obliged to forward that unless they ask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Frog Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Was it a local road ? I ask as Gypsy Lane in Kett seems to have a van frequently and it`s a useful little cut through. Cheers Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mississippi Bullfrog Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 We were waiting for one as my wife went past the van that's often at the top of our road not watching her speed - but fortunately after 16 days nothing has arrived. Bad start to the new year, but at least you can take the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerontious Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I had one a few years ago, issued on Boxing Day (no less) for speeding (30/40). full day in a local hotel meeting room. it was alright if a little tedious.. but there were a few eye openers especially about observation. we were shown a picture for 15 seconds and asked how many people we could see. it was actually impossible to count, however the funny thing that absolutely nobody noticed was that they were all wearing T-Shirts with "There are 127 people in this photograph" printed on them. It was shocking when that was pointed out, because it was so visible and yet, invisible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Westerly Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Might have got done today while in the car by a van on the A66. Just over the brow of a hill which makes me think its more of a money making exercise than a safety thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mississippi Bullfrog Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, S-Westerly said: Might have got done today while in the car by a van on the A66. Just over the brow of a hill which makes me think its more of a money making exercise than a safety thing. Of course it is. Our hill looks like a NSL area as it's a rural lane. But there are street lights alongg one section but not the rest or even the majority of the road. Legally the distancing of the lights makes it a 30 zone but you'd never know unless you live here. Hence most people do more than 30 and there's a speed van here two or three times a week. I campaigned to have repeater signs installed and after several years they put one up. Just one, and it's after where the van sits. Go figure what the priority is. Safety or revenue? Edited January 1, 2022 by Mississippi Bullfrog 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHorton Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I came across one last year in the cotswolds came round a blind bend saw a 30 sign then the van luckily I was okay but not right. I used to to prolaser enforcement in residential areas usually close to schools and shops with a marked vehicle and in flourry jacket and we had loads of signage anyone who got caught wasn't paying attention. I don't think it's fair how they do it now 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) Regardless of where you live it is part of the highway code which reading and understanding is part of your test procedure (and if you ignore that information then who's fault is it ?) that if there is single carriageway/dual carriageway and street lighting and no further signage then it is a 30mph limit . Legal definition of street lighting not requiring additional signage is a 30 mph speed limit applies where there are three or more lamps throwing light on the carriageway and placed not more than 183 metres (200ft) apart. So if you see any street lighting treat it as 30mph .... unless you see a sign otherwise Edited January 1, 2022 by TimR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidtav Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, TimR said: Regardless of where you live it is part of the highway code which reading and understanding is part of your test procedure (and if you ignore that information then who's fault is it ?) that if there is single carriageway/dual carriageway and street lighting and no further signage then it is a 30mph limit . Legal definition of street lighting not requiring additional signage is a 30 mph speed limit applies where there are three or more lamps throwing light on the carriageway and placed not more than 183 metres (200ft) apart. So if you see any street lighting treat it as 30mph .... unless you see a sign otherwise This has made me ponder and wonder what the legal situation would be if the local council have deactivated the streetlights. Which they are doing sometimes to save money. When is a streetlight not a streetlight? … would the 30mph limit still apply if the streetlights aren’t being used? yeah I know. I should have more useful things to think about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiBob Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, Davidtav said: This has made me ponder and wonder what the legal situation would be if the local council have deactivated the streetlights. Which they are doing sometimes to save money. When is a streetlight not a streetlight? … would the 30mph limit still apply if the streetlights aren’t being used? yeah I know. I should have more useful things to think about! How would you know they're not in use during daylight hours? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianco2564 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, Davidtav said: This has made me ponder and wonder what the legal situation would be if the local council have deactivated the streetlights. Which they are doing sometimes to save money. When is a streetlight not a streetlight? … would the 30mph limit still apply if the streetlights aren’t being used? yeah I know. I should have more useful things to think Speed limit is the speed limit whether the street lights are on or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidtav Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, Bianco2564 said: Speed limit is the speed limit whether the street lights are on or not. I’m not sure. If they aren’t active then I think there might be an arguable case for a smart lawyer. Especially if you were booked for speeding in the hours of darkness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickly Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 On the Speed Awareness course I went on they addressed this. From what I remember 3 years ago: The distance between the street lights or wether they are in use is no longer one of the considerations, basically you have at some point passed a big sign saying 30, there are no repeaters & there are street lights. Any protestations about what if …. Such as “I was staying somewhere for a week and forgot” were answered with the sensible advice of “stick at 30 until you can be sure it is otherwise” Seems the loophole lawyers have caused some of the loopholes to be closed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHorton Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I don't think there is any mention of whether they are lit or not in law just their presence and spacing is the important bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mississippi Bullfrog Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 On our road there are street lights but they are so far apart you can't see them until you come round the bend, and that's where the van sits. So I can see how people assume it's NSL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy sugger Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 I've just discovered the place I got the ticket is nowhere near the place that I saw the van, and now has me confused. When I saw the van I had been out for a bimble, and came back home on a unfamiliar route along a one way system through Moulton, and had just come off a roundabout but I was among other light traffic, not gaining on anyone in front, so just going with the flow. The ticket was for speeding on the A4500 near Weston Favel shopping centre, from a manned camera. I don't remember seeing a van anywhere near that area, and it would stick out like a oversize wart on the end of your nose. There is a fixed camera on that road, but it is further along in a built up area, where the posh houses start and everyone slows down for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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